Weasley "hypocrisy" / Greengrass / Dialects

Catlady (Rita Prince Winston) catlady at wicca.net
Sat Sep 13 10:05:09 UTC 2003


No: HPFGUIDX 80681

Yaira wrote in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/80428 :

<< The only evidence I've seen of one of [the Weasleys] having a
relationship with someone who wasn't fullblood was Fleur Delacour, 
and I'm not sure if that even counts because the part of her that's
not wizard is veela, which is first of all a good thing (beauty and
all), and second of all a veela is still a magical entity. >>

I agree that being part-Veela doesn't prevent a person from being
pure-blood. But I don't agree that we don't see a Weasley having a
relationship with a Muggle-born: Percy's relationship with Penelope
Clearwater turned out to have been a big deal in CoS, and we know 
that Penelope was Muggle-born because 1) she was Petrified, and 2)
everyone said that it was Muggle-borns who were being attacked. In
addition, I take it you're not a Ron/Hermione shipper.

Vinnia Chrysshallie wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/80465 :

<< 5. Mrs Greengrass [may have been one of Lily's school friends].
There is a student called Daphne Greengrass. She took her Charm OWL
with Hermione (OoP p628 UK) >>

JKR's handwritten list of students in Harry's year contained a
Greengrass (or Greingrass or Graingrass) named Queenie (or Amelie) 
who was a Slytherin. Would one of Lily's friends have a Slythie
daughter? (I like to think that daddy Greengrass is a landscape
architect.)

This is the URL for the handwritten list:
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/hpforgrownups/lst?.dir=/Harry+Potter+%26+Me&.src=gr&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//briefcase.yahoo.com/
but here is an easier way to click on it: http://tinyurl.com/kk8t

Richard Darkmatter wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/80477 :

<< With even more patience, lots of work, etc., you could probably 
map the origins of most older, and many younger characters, with only
the dialectic and pronunciation clues from a few lines of speech. In
particular, I'd like to see someone place Hogsmeade, so we could know
almost precise where Hogwarts is located. >>

I strongly hold a theory that Hogsmeade cannot be placed by the
dialect of its inhabitants because, Hogsmeade being the only
all-wizarding village in Britain, people move there from all of
wizarding Britain whenever they find that living among Muggles makes
them crazy, or that their wizarding business needs walk-in customers.

In addition, I suspect that JKR depicting the wizarding folk with
Muggle-familiar regional and class dialects is the same kind of
literary fiction as the translation of Lysistrata that gave the
Spartans Texas accents and some other city Boston accents. I mean,
some of these pure-bloods live in such isolation from Muggles that
they don't know about trousers, never mind fellytones. Their
dialect(s) would have evolved/drifted on its own (not as part of the
local Muggle dialect) as long as they've been so isolated. I suppose
that really the Malfoys' dialect, table manners, etc, are as different
from the Finch-Fletchleys as their clothing styles, but a truly
accurate depiction of the Malfoys would have only confused us readers.
Maybe we would have thought they were barbarians in blue paint.





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