Somethings not right

[scooting2win]

No: HPFGUIDX 80825

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Grey Wolf" <greywolf1 at j...> 
wrote:
>  Golly wrote: 
> > I thought [Lori's post] was a very insightful and sensitive 
assesment 
> > of Rowling's intent versus its effect.  Why are people so 
resistant 
> > to any criticism of Rowling's text? 
> > 
> > Golly.
> 
> I can't talk about the others, but I can tell you about my own 
problems 
> with Lori's "criticism" - it is based on the wrong idea of what 
the 
> book is. 
Um, no, not what I was thinking, and it was not "criticism" I just 
said I didn't like it, I never said well hell that was badly 
written. No I said I didn't like the idea of what kids were going to 
get from it. There are tons of things in the books that I praised 
JKR for putting in there. Things that some people have a hard time 
explaining. And besides if I only have a problem with one thing out 
of FIVE books. Not doing to badly since I read them because I had to 
sign a permission slip for my child to read them at school and 
wanted to see what was so "horrible" that I had to sign a form for 
my kid to read it.  
> 
Lori treated it as if it was, which is why so many people have 
answered. 
Um, no again. I should not have used the word "moral" sorry it 
should have been "idea". Kids would get the "idea" that it's ok to 
keep a secret like this, from friends or family.

> Answer: it would've been so out of character for Harry that the 
screams would be heard miles from this board. 
Agreed but I said I had a problem with him not telling Ron and 
Hermoine. It's not out of character for him to talk to his friends 
or did I miss that point. 
> 
 And certainly, JKR cannot stop the flow of the books every 
> chapter to deliver a moral, because it would turn the novel she is 
> writting into a fable and I, for one, wouldn't read it because of 
it.
True, but as I said before I don't think it was intended to take it 
this way. But for some of us, (children and adults) this message 
does present itself, either from experience or from worry, for some 
it will still be there.
> 
There isn't a message about the dangers of fossil power, or the 
> quickly dissapearing forestal masses. Nor does she tackle the 
problem of abortion, or superpopulation and its control. I haven't 
seen messages about the problems of communism or capitalism, either. 
There is only so many messages that can be crammed into a book 
before becoming transparent. JKR, IMO, is a genious for putting so 
many in HP almost seamlessly (and certainly without forcing it). But 
certainly, not *all* moral messages will be in there. Many, yes: 
worker's rights, enslavement, racial issues, good/evil etc. etc.

And again I say, I don't think this was intentional on her part, I 
think it was put in to point out a couple of things, 1) how horrible 
Umbridge is, 2) as you stated about Dumbledore at the end, he admits 
how keeping "his secret" from Harry resulted in Sirius' death. 3) 
That some times the choices we make are not good choices.
And all in all, JKR really tried (and succeed with it IMO) to make 
Umbridge a horrible, disgusting creature. It was not the story in 
itself that got me it was in whole a great story, it was just that 
part about not telling that someone was trying to make it sink in, 
literally. To scar him more then he already is so to speak. It was 
never, OMG she is beating Harry, it's more a was that intentional on 
her part to bring that to light and make a child think, ok well this 
guy did this to me, should I tell someone, no, Harry didn't tell. 
And children's mind sometimes work that way.


> 
> Hope that helps,
> 
> Grey Wolf
some thanks lori