[HPforGrownups] BADD ANGST TBAY, Part II

[Carolina]

No: HPFGUIDX 81619

Jen Reese wrote:

<snipping TBAY>

> So while much of this theory is a comment on who Dumbledore is,
> his *Plan* is still open to possibilities.......one of which is
> BADD ANGST--"Boundaries Always Direct Dumbledore's Actions-Now Go
> Stop Tom! (All canon from US versions).
>
> Dumbledore's Philosophy:

> And just as Dumbledore believes strongly in
> the freedom of choice, he also respects the limitations this
> belief places on anyone who wants to foster change:

Balance gods are often the more cruel. As I agree free will is 
important for him, I also hope he values all species freedom, not 
only his. As things are, only humans have a voice and killing 
Voldie won't change this little fact.

I can't agree respecting free will makes him so limited. He should 
also respect his own free will, and the free will of those unnamed 
creatures. 

While I think there is an option for a peaceful ending, after all, 
Jo is the writer so it's up to her, I also see an escenario that 
can be developed into an open war. Just there, in the second 
prophecy, I still have to see The Dark Lord raising more powerfull 
and blablabla... Voldie is still pretty lame compared to: 

> Every week, news comes of more deaths, more disappearances, more
> torturing...the Ministry of Magic is in disarray, they don't know
> what to do, they're trying to keep everything hidden from the
> Muggles, but meanwhile, Muggles are dying, too. (Sirius, GOF,
> chap. 27, pps. 526-527)

and to:

> "....you weren't in the Order then, you don't understand, last
> time we were outnumbered twenty to one by the Death Eaters and
> they were picking us off one by one." (Lupin, OOTP, chap. 9,
> p.177)

But why they were? They shouldn't, but there's a big part of WW that 
won't mind if others run rampant on genocide as long as they don't 
notice.

> "The only one against whom I intend to work," said Dumbledore,
> "is Lord Voldemort. If you are against him, then we remain,
> Cornelius, on the same side."  (GOF, chap. 36, p. 709).

I concede defeating LV is a point, but he is not the problem. 
Killing him wouldn't solve a thing if the structure that has raised 
him is available for the next killer to raise.

> Dumbledore's Plan:
>
> Dumbledore employs a three-part plan in the fight against Lord
> Voldemort, intending to first impede LV's progress and bring him
> out in the open (achieved in OOTP) and ultimately, to defeat him
> once and for all.
>
> 1. Creating a strong and unified counterforce--

Not trying to be critic here, but what's the point. Recruiting 
allies is a very basic strategy in a war, isn't it? I mean, it 
would be suicidal not to do it, and Dumbie has survived wars 
before, I'm sure the 'let's unite' parafernalia was for granted. 

After all,  

> "Time is short, and unless the few of us who know the truth stand
> united, there is no hope for any of us." (Dumbledore, GOF, chap.
> 36, p. 712)

... is perfectly ok, what doesn't make sense is a "Time is short, so 
the few of us who know the truth, let's divide and/or kill each 
other"

Is not Voldemort doing the same? 

> 2.  Respect for and use of the Deeper Mysteries of Magic--

> There is a mysterious "ancient magic" that Dumbledore ascribes to
> more fully than to the "Laws of Man" (in this case, the MOM).
> These deep mysteries appear to actualize in the form of binding
> connections between people or between people and magical objects:

Here is where I call it having a cool mind and common sense. 
Dumbledore uses the weapons he has, and follows the rules he knows. 

I mean, he knows they exist, so respecting here for me means not to 
be so dumb as to overlook something he takes as a fact. Borrowing 
Terry Pratchett an example: witches know gods exist in Discworld, 
but believing in them would be like believing in  the postman. 

<<"I am speaking of course of the fact that your mother died to save 
you." (Dumbledore, OOTP, Chap. 37, pps. 835- 836)  

<< "She {Petunia} [... ]  yet she still took you, and in doing so,
 she sealed the charm I placed upon you." (Dumbledore, OOTP, chap.
 37, p. 836) >>

<<  ".....When one wizard saves another wizard's life, it creates a
 certain bond between them....This is magic at its deepest, most
 impenetrable, Harry." (Dumbledore, POA, chap. 22, p. 426)>>

1) Miracles centered around self-sacrificing mothers.
2) The Power of Bloodbonds.
3) Saving a life creates a bond.

All together smells muggle, muggle, muggle to me. It's just my 
Slytherin impression. 

<< The Fidelius Charm is "An immensely complex spell
..involving the
 magical concealment of a secret inside a single, living soul. 
 The information is hidden inside the chosen person, or Secret
 Keeper
." (Prof. Flitwick, POA, chap. 10, p. 205)>>

See, I just thought it was a complex spell, but given each wizard 
should have a soul that was not the difficult part. Maybe I'm 
biased by the, 'hey Wormtail, wannabe Secret Keeper?' last-moment 
change.

> "Once a champion has been selected by the Goblet of Fire, he or
> she is obliged to see the tournament through to the end. The
> placing of your name in the goblet constitutes a binding, magical
> contract." (Dumbledore, GOF, chap. 16, p. 256)

Apart that I suposse the original maker of the goblet intended to 
assasinate someone with it I hope this does not count as ancient 
magic, because is a funny thing you can be arbitrarily be forced to 
adhere to a magical, binding contract. 

Magical contracts are as fun as contracts with demons, but the 
victim should at least do something. If not, we can just call it a 
very good way of forcing someone to suicide. I don't know why 
Voldie should despise it. No. Wait. A DE actually uses it. 

> Now Dumbledore appears to not only have a deep respect for
> this "ancient magic" but he also has been able to use this
> against Voldemort numerous times because LV "despises and
> underestimates it."  

> Others include:

> * Phoenix tail feathers in the brother wands to produce the
> Priori Incantatem (GOF, chap. 36, p. 697)

Wasn't that because he didn't knew Harry's particular core? I count 
this as good misinformation.

> * Hiding the Philosopher's Stone in the Mirror of Erised so only
> one wanting to "find it, but not use it" could retrieve the
> Stone. (Dumbledore, SS, chap. 17, p. 300)

A useful trick yes, but ancient magic?

> 3. Respect for Harry's Freedom of Choice Regarding the Prophecy—

I'm not entering in the prophecy yet, but with respect to the power 
the Dark Lords knows not, it can be very powerful, very simple, and 
very muggle.

Speculation here.

I'm very simple approaching here Harry as Arthur, in the sense that 
the king holds the heart of the land (ancient magic for me). The 
power Voldie has not can be Harry's leathership. If he can unite 
the sides, if he can change society, he certainly has powers beyond 
Tom Riddle's knowledge. Other men have done it. And it would 
vanquish the Dark Lord, but maybe not Tom. 

> Dumbledore, the master, will
> have to step aside now as Harry prepares to face his fate and
> that of the Wizarding World on his own terms.

But I hope he remains as counselor. Harry will be pierced in 
politics without counseling. We don't want Harry starting a civil 
war by accident.

silmariel