[HPforGrownups] Re: The magic power of love.

[Iggy McSnurd]

No: HPFGUIDX 81727

>From Valky

> "Doriane" > wrote:
> To Hans re Harry:
> > And how does that make him any more special that a 13-year-old girl
> > who's completely lost any hope in life, who doesn't think things will
> > ever get better, who suffers horribly every single day of her life,
> > but who won't commit suicide only because she doesn't want to "do
> > that" to her mom and sister ? Maybe I didn't save the world, but I
> > think I displayed pretty much all the qualities you quoted above. But
> > I don't think you'd me consider a hero, would you ?

from Valky

>
> As a matter of sincere fact Del, I do.
> And in this statement you have made the true heroics of the human
> soul more plain than in all the argument (sorry Hans) Hans gave.
> The very same courage compassion loyalty selflessness and love shown
> by this 13 year old girl is exactly the possession of a hero who
> would save the world.
> Wish there was more to say. Bless You


I have two things to say...

The first is a quote from the Disney version of Hercules...

"A true hero isn't measured by the size of his strength, but by the strength
of his heart."


The second is that there are those of us out there for whom suicide is
simply not an option.  No matter how bad things get, even if it slits
through our minds, it is quickly dismissed because we will not do it.

I have had many people state that you don't need to worry about someone who
refuses to kill themselves, since the depression or pain can't be that bad.
They say that if it's not an option for them, then they must not feel that
bad or have hit rock bottom.

Wrong...

For someone who refuses to take a permanent solution to a temporary problem
like that, the pain and depths to which they descend can be worse at times.
Someone who is willing to kill themselves sees that there's a way out...
they feel that they have an ejector seat from life.  Someone for whom this
is not an option knows that the only way out is to endure through it all and
come out the other end, hoping for the best.

Think of it like a Christian Scientist with a kidney stone... you just have
to have faith, deal with it, and hope that everything turns out all right,
despite the pain.  "Though you are in pain, this too shall pass."  (And this
is coming from a guy who's had 2 kidney stones at the same time that were as
big as they could get and still be passed... so they wouldn't use the
ultrasound option.  I had to grit my teeth and deal with it...)

You state that someone won't kill themselves, yet they've lost all hope.  I
speak from more experience with this than you can imagine when I say that
it's the people who kill themselves that have truly lost all hope.  For
those of us who cling to life no matter how lost we may feel, how much pain
we are in, how much sorrow at the seeming futility of it all... the one
thing we haven't lost is hope.  Because it's the hope that things will
eventually get better, no matter how deep that hope seems to be buried, that
keeps us clinging to life with all our strength when things get their
blackest.


Iggy McSnurd
the Prankster


"Your problems will always get worse... but after that, they'll get better."

-- Iggy McSnurd (A lesson I learned from a very wise girl I dated in
college.)

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