Hermione / Trelawney-Lupin / Dobby / Students in Harry's year

[Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)]

No: HPFGUIDX 81824

Elfundeb wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/81788 :

<< Hermione reveals in OOP that the Sorting Hat considered her for
Ravenclaw. I think the Hat might have done well to consider Slytherin.
When something truly threatens Hermione, she is quite willing to use
any means to achieve her ends. >>

This is a forbidden "I agree" post, except I would say "when
somethings truly INTERESTS Hermione" rather than (or as well as)
"threatens".

<< Hermione's brewing of the polyjuice potion in CoS, in order to find
out who the Heir of Slytherin really was, has been cited as an example
of her willingness to break rules to help her friends. But as a
muggleborn, the Heir of Slytherin was a much greater threat to
Hermione than Harry at that point. I always found it quite significant
that the first time she engineered a major flaunting of the rules, the
reason was a personal threat. >>

I always read the CoS Polyjuice incident as motivated by Hermione
having already been curious to make and try Polyjuice, probably ever
since she heard Snape mention it, so she seized upon an excuse to do
so. I don't read it as her attempt to save herself from the danger to
Muggleborn students ... do you think she really believed that wimpy
pathetic canon!Draco really knew anything about it? All the incident
achieved was to make Ron and Harry stop suspecting Draco.  

<< And while it's true that Hermione doesn't have anything to gain
from her campaign to free the house-elves, except the satisfaction of
having helped them, house-elves are, like muggleborns, discriminated
against in the WW, so drawing attention to their plight raises the
consciousness of the WW to their prejudicial attitudes in general. >>

I'm perfectly willing to chalk her Free the House Elves campaign up to
idealism. My memory of my teen years is that teens often get idealism
about everything being wrong with the world, with no self-advantage in
mind except maybe the privilege of thinking oneself a good person.

Jazmyn wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/81803 :

<< Anyone with any sense would flee from Trelawny's predictions. Being
as she mostly wants to predict BAD THINGS. And its the full moon the
boggart becomes, NOT a crystal ball. >>

I always read the Trelawney-Lupin interaction as Trelawney pursuing
Lupin with romantic intentions. She's an egotistic loony at least 4
times his age. No wonder he fled. 

I see that she came to Christmas dinner, a very unusual thing to do,
and her first act was to ask where is Professor Lupin: to me, the only
reason she came to Christmas dinner was to try to hold hands or play
footsie with him under the table (remember in PS/SS, at Christmas
dinner, Hagrid and McGonagall drank enough that McGonagall permitted
Hagrid to give her a good-night kiss on the cheek; that may have given
her the idea).

Or perhaps they are never seen together because they're really the
same person ... 

Sue Porter wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/81818 :

<< Why did Dobby go against everything his race have adhered to and
warn Harry?" >>

Dobby was still bound to obey direct orders from the Malfoys, and to
punish himself when he criticized them and when he left the house.
What he went against that Winky and Kreachur displayed was devoted
love to his owners. He transferred that love to Harry, which made it
worth his while to leave the house and have to punish himself. I read
this as the Malfoys had abused Dobby so much so long that he had
finally fallen out of love with them.

This suggests that the Blacks didn't treat Kreachur as badly as the
Malfoys treated Dobby -- that, despite being racists, the Blacks
didn't indulge their sadism on their House Elves. This causes me to
doubt Dobby's statement that in the Dark Lord's time, *all* House
Elves were treated like vermin. Unless Kreachur was born *after* the
fall of Voldemort and imprisonment of Sirius -- he still would have
had some time to get to know Bellatrix before her attack on the
Longbottoms.

Hedwig's Talons wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/81804 :

<< In PS/SS during the sorting ceremony there are 24 names mentioned.
Most of them turn up again later in other books; AND they are either
in the DA or Slytherin. But there are several names not mentioned
again (and the lexicon has nothing but PS/SS on them either). >>

This is the URL for JKR's handwritten list of students in Harry's
year:
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/hpforgrownups
/lst?.dir=/Harry+Potter+%26+Me&.src=gr&.order=&.vi
ew=t&.done=http%3a//briefcase.yahoo.com/
but here is an easier way to click on it: http://tinyurl.com/kk8t

Thanks to Muridae
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/32313

Abbott, Hannah (Hufflepuff)
Bones, Susan (Hufflepuff)
Boot, Trevor (Ravenclaw)
Brocklehurst, Mandy (Ravenclaw)
Brown, Lavender (Gryffindor)
Bulstrode, Millicent (Slytherin)
Corner, Michael (Hufflepuff)
Cornfoot, Stephen (Ravenclaw)
Crabbe, Vincent (Slytherin)
Davis, Tracey (Slytherin)
Entwhistle, Kevin (Ravenclaw)
Finch-Fletchley, Justin (Hufflepuff)
Finnigan, Seamus (Gryffindor)
Goldstein, Anthony (Hufflepuff)
Goyle, Gregory (Slytherin)
Granger, Hermione (Gryffindor)
Greengrass, Queenie???? (Slytherin) 
Hopkins, Wayne (Hufflepuff)
Jones, Megan (Hufflepuff)
Li, Su (Ravenclaw)
Longbottom, Neville (Gryffindor)
McDougal, Isabel (Ravenclaw)

Thanks to HOLLYDAZE!
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/32345
[My comments in square brackets]

Abbott, Hannah.
Bones, Susan.
Boot, Trevor. (his name seems to have been changed to Terry in the
books)
Brocklehurst, Mandy.
Brown, Lavender.
Bulstrode, Millicent.
Corner, Michael.
Cornfoot, Stephen.
Crabbe, Vincent.
Davis, Tracy.
Entwhistle, Kevin.
Finch-Fletchley, Justin.
Finnigan, Seamus.
Goldstein, Anthony.
Goyle, Gregory.
Granger, Hermione
Greingrass, Queenie [Daphne Greengrass, from OoP, Charms OWL]
Hopkins, Wayne.
Jones, Megan.
Li, Su.
Longbottom, Neville.
MacDougal, Isabel (the original name appears to have been Katrina as
a 
K...A...T and R are visible with what looks very like an "I" next, the
next letter is hidden by JK's finger as is part of the last letter
which appears to  be an A) 

(Thankyou to Muridae for working most of those out) The rest of the
list seems  to be something along the lines of:
Mac(Dougal, Morag)?
Mac(Millan, Ernie)? (this one could be another "Mal" but it is more
likely to be a "Mac" unless JK really didn't remember to change
"Isabel" to "Morag" in which case Morag should be Isabel and the one
above is Ernie, leaving this one unknown) [MacNair?]
Mal(foy, Draco)
Moo(n)
Nott [Theodore, Slytherin, from OoP]
Park(inson)
Patel (Padma)
Patel (Parvati)
Perks (Sally-Ann)
Potter (Harry)
?ran (as far as I can see, this one is illegible due to the three
crossings out below it)
Rive(can just be seen in the 2nd top photo but is not visible on
either of the other two due to a crossing out below it and being cut
off in the 1st top photo)
Rope(something as the E joins on to another letter that is not in the
picture)
Runc (Possible Runcorn)
Smith [Zacharias Smith, Hufflepuff, from OoP]
Spink(s...it is unclear if this is the full name as the S is half off
the page)
Thom(as, Dean)
Turpi(n, Lisa)
Weasl(ey, Ronald/Ron)
Zabini, (Blaise) 

Thanks to Elirtai
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/36359
[My comments in square brackets]

My question is about the 'school list' drawings and how they relate to
the books. We get to see part of the student list. For every name we
see the house they were to be sorted into, and two symbols. The first
symbol is either a black square or a white circle. The second one is a
letter N in a box, a plain Star of David, or a circle-enclosed Star of
David.

I haven't found any relationship between these symbols and the actual
characters. Here's the list; does anyone know what these mean?

Symbols:
O =White circle [girl]
X =Black square [boy]

[N] =letter N in a box 
[Muggle-born? Hermione and Justin have it.] 

D =Star of David
(D) =Same, enclosed in a circle
[probably one means full-blood and one means half-blood, but Finnegan,
Crabbe, and Goyle all have the circle and Bulstrode doesn't. ???? ]

H,G,R,S = Hufflepuff, Gryffindor, Ravenclaw, Slytherin
(Gryffindor usually appears enclosed in a circle)
The question marks mean the original is unreadable.

Name Symbol Symbol House
Abbott, Hannah O [N] H
Bones, Susan O D H
Boot, Trevor X [N] R * In the books he became Terry Boot.
Brocklehurst, Mandy O D R
Brown, Lavender O (D) (G)
Bulstrode, Millicent O D S
Corner?, Michael X D H
Cornfoot?, Stephen X (D) R
Crabbe, Vincent X (D) S
Davis, Tracey O D S [rather than a six pointed star, she has a five
pointed star; maybe she's the predicted "good Slyth"]
Entwhistle, Kevin X [N] R
Finch-Fletchley, Justin X [N] H
Finnigan, Seamus X (D) (G)
Goldstein, Anthony X D H
Goyle, Gregory X (D) S
Granger, Hermione O [N] (G)
Graingrass?, Amelie? O (D) S
Hopkins, Wayne X D H
Jones, Megan O D H
Longbottom, Neville ** Neville's entry is not only hard to read, it
has no symbols or house at all (a last minute character maybe). [last
minute name, maybe, but OoP shows he's an important character]
McDougal, Isabel (***) O (D) R  *** In the books she became Morag
McDougal