Lupin's resentment : An inside to Snape's resentment

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No: HPFGUIDX 94892

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "cerebella316" 
<cerebella316 at y...> wrote:
> Bella again! I know that this post is pretty much between Alla and 
> Silverthorne, but I can't help myself.
> 
Hi, Bella! Please feel free to jump in at any time. :o)
> 
> Bella:
> 
> So don't think we haven't used "the same measuring 
> stick" for the characters.
>

Oh, thank you! Thank you so much! I do use the same " measuring stick 
for all the characters. But it is still possible to like one more 
than another after you looked from all angles  and  I don't think 
that it makes me a hyppocrite at all. :o)

> Bella:
> 
> You are forgetting that Sirius spent 13 years in prison. I'm sure 
> the detachment from the real world alone had some major impact on 
> Sirius's psychological, moral, and behavioral development. Not to 
> mention the guilt over the Potters death he sat brewing on...or the 
> fact that Dementors were feeding on all that had been good in him...
> 
> And his first encounter with Snape upon returning to the real world 
> is Snape's intrusion upon the Shrieking Shack scene and trying to 
> send Sirius back to prison without listening to the real story—even 
> after Dumbledore seemed to believe it. ("You fool," said Lupin 
> softly. "Is a schoolboy grudge worth putting an innocent man back 
> inside Azkaban?" PoA Ch 19, p 359, US hardback)
> 
> I think I would've been a little upset if I were Sirius...and that 
> may not only rehash an old grudge, but start a new one!
> 


Yes, absolutely. I was always surprised when people wanted Sirius to 
apologise to Snape in Shrieking Shack. When? before Snape was going 
to send him to dementors or after? I am not even talking about 
posttraumatic stress disorder, etc.



> Bella:
> 
> How can say that Sirius should be better adjusted and morally 
> developed than Snape? I mean
it has been hinted that both had hard 
> childhoods. And it seems that Sirius bullied Snape. But, while 
> Sirius suffered for 13 years in a cold jail cell with dementors 
> sucking all his happiness and 1 year in a cave eating rats and 1 
> year in the old house of his parents which forced upon him memories 
> of a painful childhood, Snape got to spend those years all warm and 
> snuggly and safe in the dungeons of Hogwarts under the care of 
Albus 
> Dumbledore, the epitome of good in these books. Did he learn 
nothing 
> from Dumbledore's example? No! He tried to send Sirius back to jail 
> (I know! he believed he was a murderer at this point!) Then he 
> goaded Sirius to do something rash and leave Grimmauld's place with 
> his words that Sirius was not *useful*.
> 
> Both are equally childish when it comes to their attitude towards 
> each other. But which character do you really think a psychologist 
> would say had an environment more conducive reforming, to *growing 
> up*? 
> 
> My bet is not Sirius...
> 


I agree again. I would invite anybody who says it is easy to survive 
prison to visit one of the prisons in my former country (No, I 
haven't been in one, but it is a VERY common knowledge, because 
millions had been in prisons at one point, suffering unjustly)


I guess it is in my subconscience to identify with such characters 
immediately, even if they are fictional

Sirius and Severus are quite similar, but they are not identical.

As I said to me - Sirius' pain is more on the surface, it is easier 
to see and identify with. Snape is a mystery. I am quite sure that he 
suffers somewhere very deep inside, but I got tired of imagining it.


And of course, one of them loves Harry (even if he sometimes confuses 
him with James) and the other, well.... not. :o)
> 
>  Alla