The Unforgivables Curses : what about Petrificus Totalus ?
cubfanbudwoman
susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net
Fri Apr 2 22:24:41 UTC 2004
No: HPFGUIDX 94998
Del wrote:
>>> Another point I've been bothered with is the use of some other
curses that have not been described as either unforgivable or even
forbidden.
Petrificus Totalus, in particular, disturbs me a lot. It seems to me
that it should fall in the Unforgivable category as well, because :
1. It annihilates one's freedom of action
2. It can easily allow some horrendous crimes to be committed. >>>
Then Ali wrote:
> I believe that the difference between this curse and the
> Unforgiveables is that it *can* be relatively easily blocked. This
> makes it very different from the others.
>
> I think that there are large number of curses which could kill,
> maim or cause untold damage or pain. But it is only the
> Unforgiveables that have the combination of intent, taking away
> self-determination and unblockability (for the majority of
> wizards, anyway).
Siriusly Snapey Susan now:
Excellent questions, Del, and an equally excellent answer, Ali. I
think your answer takes care of about all of Del's concern. But
*before* reading this post, I was going to say that I think there
ARE many other spells which *could* get someone a life sentence in
Azkaban, but that they're simply not the "givens" that the
Unforgivables are. That is, there might be ways/times in which
these other spells could be used such that the intent is not really
to harm.
For instance, what was that spell used to "hover" Snape called
[leaving the Shrieking Shack in PoA]?? It could be used as it was--
to more easily transport an unconscious person [though, granted, it
also allowed some folks a few grins at Snape's head-knocking on the
ceiling ;-)], but it seems to me it could also be used to immobilize
a person or prevent him from doing something he wants to do. The
latter case has the intent of taking away self-determination,
whereas the former is actually a spell of convenience or assistance.
I guess I'm trying to argue that while the Unforgivables are
[almost!] always grounds for life in prison, some other spells could
also get a wizard life in prison *but* might also be used in a
totally innocuous manner, so they're not called Unforgivable. The
Unforgivables--even if we grant them "okay" status as a teaching
tool in DADA--could never otherwise be described as being available
for use in a totally innocuous manner.
Am I making any sense?
Siriusly Snapey Susan
More information about the HPforGrownups
archive