Anyone think that Harry will start using the penseive for his own thoughts?

[justcarol67]

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> Carol wrote: <snipped by vmonte>
> And I don't think you can remove a thought from someone else's head,
> either. If it were that easy, the WW would probably use a Pensieve
to check the testimony of accused criminals. <snip>
> 
> vmonte responds:
> Sorry, I wasn't clear in my post. I didn't mean that Harry should 
> remove thoughts from other peoples minds. I meant that Harry should 
> remove his own memories and then view them through the penseive which 
> appears to show memories from an objective view point. 

Carol:
Oh, dear. Apparently I wasn't clear, either. In the part of my post
that you snipped, I suggested that Harry probably couldn't remove
thoughts from his own head because he isn't a skilled Occlumens. And
my reference to taking thoughts from other pople's heads was intended
to mean that I don't DD (much less snape, whom Harry doesn't trust)
could take a thought from *Harry's* head and put it in the Pensieve. 

vmonte wrote: 
> I remember writing a post (months ago) where I questioned the 
> thoughts that Harry had viewed in the penseive. I tried to imply that 
> Snape's memory, for example, of the time he was hung upside down by 
> the James Potter's gang, might not have happened exactly as his 
> memory recorded it.  I was trying to explain that memories are very 
> subjective, and events are usually recorded in a non-objective way in 
> which you are always the good guy. I hope I'm conveying this thought 
> well. <snip>

Carol:
I'm pretty sure that the whole point of a Pensieve is that it's an
*objective* record of a thought (or rather, memory). You take it out
of its subjective context in your own mind to examine it without
subjective distortions, which is why you see yourself from the
outside--and others can enter the memory without changing or
disturbing it. Remember, just as with Tom Riddle's diary, Harry is not
inside Dumbledore's or Snape's mind. He is an observer of the scene as
it happened. Otherwise, the Pensieve would be valueless. Also, Snape
would not have needed to remove a subjectively distorted memory from
his mind. He could simply have made it favorable to himself and
allowed Harry to see it that way. Instead, it's an objective record of
his humiliation which he did *not* want Harry to see. (To be sure,
James and Sirius don't come off very well, either.) If Remus Lupin
were to remove his memory of that scene and put it in the Pensieve,
I'm pretty sure it would be identical to Snape's.

Carol, with apologies to Del and Ffred for miscrediting an earlier post