Good werewolf required (was Re: Help with Lupin's boggart
pippin_999
foxmoth at qnet.com
Mon Apr 19 17:25:38 UTC 2004
No: HPFGUIDX 96395
Renee:
>> I think the text doesn't allow for anyone but Bellatrix to have
fired that last jet of light that sent Sirius through the veil. Harry
is watching the duel and he'd have noticed if the jet hadn't come
from Bellatrix's wand.
If he'd missed the crucial moment, he'd have been
more confused, and less certain it was her: 'SHE KILLED
SIRIUS! SHE KILLED HIM - I'LL KILL HER!' And Bellatrix in her
turn screams triumphantly when Sirius falls through the veil <<<
Pippin:
But Harry doesn't observe where the jet came from. He doesn't
even observe what color it is. The text only says that he saw the
second jet of light strike Sirius full in the chest. There's
precedent in the books for eyewitnesses making a mistake like
that. A whole street full of people thought they saw Sirius fire at
those Muggles. And in real life, there's a law school
demonstration where two actors run into the class and one of
them shouts "He's got a gun!" When the students write their
accounts of what happened, nobody ever notices that the "gun"
was a banana.
Bellatrix screams in triumph, and Harry thinks he
saw her kill Sirius. But Lupin was in position between Harry and
Sirius, because he's able to catch Harry a moment later when he
springs down the steps to the dais.
Renee:
>> she also claims the kill: 'What did you come after me for,
then? I thought you were here to avenge my dear cousin?'
(quotes from OotP, Ch. 36)<<
Pippin:
Well, if she were aware that Lupin is her ally, that's just what
she'd do, isn't it? She's not going to say, "Aha! Little do you know,
little Harry Potter, that I didn't kill your pal Sirius. Your
esteemed friend Remus Lupin is secretly a Death Eater!" It's not
like she can tell Harry whatever she wants because he's
doomed. She's trying to get the Prophecy because she believes
he's *not* doomed, that Voldemort can't possibly succeed in
killing Harry until he knows what the Prophecy says. What's
more, Voldemort thinks so too. He's not going to be pleased if
Bella outs his spy prematurely.
> Pippin:
> > On a personal note, I've known people who experimented
with lying when they were young and gave it up because they
weren't good at it, but I've never known a habitual liar who
became an honest person. Not to say it never happens, but I
think it'd be a miracle. <<
>
> Renee:
> True enough. But frankly spoken, I don't think JKR hasn't
thought through this very clearly when it comes to Lupin. I'm
convinced she'll be going for a basically good Lupin who only
lies when his friendships are being threatened and is later
willing to admit he was a coward. (Just like she seems to be
going for a wise and good but not perfect Dumbledore despite
the man's behaviour in OotP.) <
I'd be surprised if JKR hasn't thought this through. When to be
open with the truth and when to approach it "with great caution"
is one of the major themes of the books.
I don't know about "basically good." It strikes me that JKR
believes that being good is not a default state. It takes a
tremendous amount of effort and above all courage.
Despite his tremendous wisdom, Dumbledore made a mistake.
He believed that he was being less than open with Harry for
Harry's own good, and once he realized that this was not the
case, he says should have known all along that it was too easy.
"I should have realized I was too happy to think I did not have to
do it..." And right then and there, even though he knew it could
cost him the relationship with Harry that had taken him five years
to build, he told Harry everything.
As McGonagall says, it's not about truth and lies. Dumbledore,
Hermione, Lupin and Harry himself are all very capable of being
misleading. It's about choosing between what is right and what
is easy. Lupin *knows* he's lying only to make things easy on
himself, and he still does it. That's a big difference, IMO.
> Pippin:
> > All JKR has to do is introduce a genuinely good werewolf
>
> Renee:
> That would certainly do the job, but...
>
> Pippin:
>
> >and I think she has...Luna Lovegood.
>
> Renee:
> ... I don't think that's very likely. The name is too obvious. I'd
> be disappointed if she tried to pull of that trick a second time.
>
Really? When you read OOP the first time did you think, "oh, is
she another werewolf? Nope, can't be, too obvious. " I didn't.
Pippin
More information about the HPforGrownups
archive