The Prophecy -- "Marking"

[Cathy Drolet]

No: HPFGUIDX 108396

Valky said:

"I see Harry *is* marked by Voldemort as an equal in a completely 
different way, NOTORIETY.
Their respective names have an *equal* level of consequence when 
spoken in the wizard world. Voldemorts inspires great fear and 
Harrys inspires great hope.


DuffyPoo:

Notoriety: the quality or state of being notorious, a notorious person
Notorious: widely know, a notoroius criminal, a place notorious for pickpockets

LV is notorious - or to use a synonym for that word - infamous
HP is famous - the opposite of notorious
LV is infamous for killing, causing to have killed, torturing, causing to have tortured hundreds (maybe more) of innocent people and for trying to kill HP (but not that as much as the rest)
HP is famous for not being killed by LV

They are not equals, not by this standard.  HP has done nothing to gain notoriety (infamy, dishonour, disrepute, unsavoury reputation, bad name, ill repute) - except maybe in Snape or Vernon Dursley's eyes - but not to the WW at large.

Valky again:

"The way this translates is that LV did not *mark Harry equal* as 
result of throwing the killing curse at him, but by the act of 
*trying to kill him*. Thereby they share equal notoriety, you can't 
kill Voldemort and you can't kill Harry."

DuffyPoo:

I don't see any reference in canon that HP cannot be killed.  Certainly the prophecy doesn't say so.  He was very nearly killed in PS, thought he was dying - would have probably if Fawkes hadn't shown up - in CoS, very nearly died in PoA when he fell off his broom from 50 feet up, nearly had his soul sucked out in PoA, as well, could easily have been killed by LV in GoF but those Seeker reflexes kicked in, thought he was dying, hoped, in fact to die, during the few short moments he was possessed by LV in the Atrium.

"The effort involved nearly killed you.  For one terrible moment there, I was afraid it had." (PS) DD has no thought that HP can't be killed, neither do I (which doesn't make it so, I just don't have any proof).  One of them, LV or HP, has got to be killed in the end "for either must *die* at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives."  Actually, I guess this says that both of them can die, are able to die.  LV is now mortal again.  He says so himself in GoF, "I was willing to embrace *mortal* life again, before chasing immortal.  I set my sights lower...I would settle for my old body back again, and my old strength."   Since HP's escape from him in GoF he's been ceaselessly, endlessly, trying to get hold of that prophecy.  Even killing HP is off his radar at the moment.  Someone posted today/yesterday (not a direct quote, sorry) that because LV has been thwarted so many times by HP (to the end of GoF) that he is not making another move until he finds out the rest of that prophecy.  He doesn't have time or inclination to work on immortality.  After the mess with Avery and Rookwood, Bode, Podmore, etc., he knows he needs HP alive to get the prophecy.  LV and HP may be equal in that they can both die, but Neville and Ron and DD (I presume), Hermione and the rest all can die as well so they are also, therefore, LV's equals.

DD seems to understand LV is mortal again, or at least has made another crucial mistake in using HP's blood for his rebirthing potion.  That unexplainable 'gleam' in DD's eye? "LV has overcome that particular barrier." DD said, ah, but set up a new one perhaps, making himself even more vulnerable?

I really thought you had me with this, Valky.  I was willing to give up my theory entirely.  Try as you might it didn't work. :-)  I'm hanging on to my theory.  HP hasn't been marked as LV's equal.  HP may well be the one, but as long as NL is alive and untested against LV, the possibility exists that it still can be him.  





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