prophecies and choice

[M.Clifford]

No: HPFGUIDX 108607

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Mel" <melaniertay at y...> wrote:

<snip> ......prophecies are specific.  However, the 2nd prophecy is 
interesting in that it is not based on someone trying to keep it 
from happening.  It's based on the fact that the "seer" knew Harry 
would "choose" to ignore it.  Harry didn't even remember it until 
the end when talking to Dumbledore.
> My only point (which I actually wrote that post days 
> ago, so I'm trying to remember my point. lol)  is that prophecies 
do not contradict choice, they are based on choice.  
> 
> Meltay

Valky:
I am glad that this discussion has been brought up because it gives 
me an opportunity to post something I wrote last year, and never got 
around to posting. Its a bit of a hacky theory about prophecies and 
choice and I wonder if it would be of interest to you since you seem 
to be seeing prophetics in much the same way as I do.

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Thinking about prophecies and who is chosen to recieve them, I am 
starting to see a recurrence of a pattern I will tentatively name 
P.I. (Prophecy Instrument.) 

Firenze gives me the lever in his comments in OOtP about the wisdom 
of his kind and with his insistence that the future is not to be 
foretold because it has no certainty. 
 
Prophecy Instrument looks some thing like this:
The person who recieves the prophecy at the moment of receiving they 
become its instrument through which it can be fulfilled.

The canon support. Harry recieves the Voldemort ressurection 
prophecy alone. There is no-one else that hears it not even 
Trelawney. So Harry is *chosen* as the instrument.
Harry's life then takes a turn to which the truth is revealed to 
*him*.
Others present are denied the truth, but that does not matter to 
(lets call it the Fates) "the Fates" because their instrument has 
all the information he needs to make his choice openly. I am 
guessing this is the universal ethic of prophecy. 

So, post-Harry making his discovery about Peter he is given the 
choice to pave the prophecies way to fulfillment or end it. He has 
all the peices of the puzzle given to him and he freely chooses the 
next stage in the story.

Secondly, Dumbledores responsibility for Harry is clear to us all.

Thirdly, I am also thinking that the person who overheard the first 
prophecy was Snape. Now lets assume that *he* was a P.I. of the 
first prophecy aside Dumbledore. His prescence in the shrieking 
shack revealed the truth to him, and he *also* had a choice to 
believe or not believe. Further, as a prophecy instrument he had a 
choice to pave the first prophecy or condemn it in that moment as 
well. If Snape had believed Remus, Sirius et al then the course of 
the first prophecies fulfillment *may* have been halted.
 
Interestingly, the emotions that Harry and Snape felt at that moment 
incited them to action in the former. And hence, the path was 
cleared by the instruments for the fulfillment of each prophecy. 
Comments are anticipated.
 
So, as we *all* have already noted anyway, Harry was the instrument 
of the prophecy he heard, I have just extended it a bit and I want 
to add something else.
Centaurs do not predict the future. Could that be a passive protest 
to a phenomenon like Prophecys Instrument? Do they conciously choose 
to avoid 'being the instruments of the fates', in their wisdom.
 
Umm this is a little bit shabby as a theory, I guess. I put a lot of 
thought into the process but this is the first time I have written 
it down. Take a look anyway and tell me what you think.
 
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Some of the references are new tothis thread because I intended it 
to reply to a thread oh so long ago. 

Anyway I look forward to replies.

Best to All 
valky