HPB guess - King Godric?

[annunathradien]

No: HPFGUIDX 108722

> Meidbh wonders:
> Has anyone worked the Godric Gryffindor idea through before?
> 
> Godric Gryyfindor is the HBP. Harry is the Heir of Gryffindor. I 
bet 
> Godric had green eyes (but then Petunia and Dudley would also be 
> descendants... 
> 
> Any takers?

I'll take it ;), but I actually don't think Godric was the HBP.  I 
see Godric more as a King, as opposed to a Prince.  

This might be reaching, but I think back to that PS/SS chess game.  
The two Kings, White and Black, were respectively, Voldemort (White) 
and Dumbledore (Black), in representation to the current (or 
impending, in the case of PS/SS) war.  However, in a more generalized 
sense, I think those Kings could also be representations of Slytherin 
(White) and Gryffindor (Black).  For the ideologies displayed by the 
current two opposing sides, not only in this war, but seemingly ever 
conflict Hogwarts has experienced for the past 1000 years.  The 1000 
yr old breach (1000 yr old conflict?) that started with Slytherin and 
Gryffindor, a breach (curse?) eluded in the OOTP Sorting Hat Song.

I actually think Godric's firstborn male-child was the HBP.  A half-
blood child, possibly believed - or at least lived as - a squib or a 
muggle.  This could have also been a child born from a muggle 
mistress possibly.  All of this likely happening in total secrecy 
(per most illicit affairs).  Godric may have had other children, 
adopted children or had a sibling / cousin that could have kept the 
Gryffindor family alive in the WW (From whence we possibly get the 
Dumbledores?  The Weasleys?), but this line isn't part of the 
rightful Heirs.  That line could have been living in hiding in the 
muggle world for these past 1000 years.

> Luckdragon64 replies:
> 
> Yes! I posted that theory last week, but I think he is related 
through James rather than Lily and that makes him the last true heir 
of Gryffindor as well as explaining why James and Harry had to be 
killed and not Lily.

However, Voldemort may have targetted and killed James - in this 
case - under false pretenses.  He may have just assumed James was the 
Heir of Gryffindor (or HBP) since he was the pureblood... and maybe 
he might have been one of the (distant) descendants of Gryffindor, 
just not the actual Heir or "HBP" (as I speculate above, some 
Gryffindor blood may have remained in the WW as well as the MW).  We 
read in COS Tom almost seemed fascinated about the amount of 
similarities between Harry and himself... for these similarities, Tom 
may have falsely assumed Harry inherited his "Heir" status from his 
pureblood parent, just as he believed he had.  Tom completely 
unawares and possibly not even daring to consider it's through Lily 
and her family (the muggle Evanses) Harry inherits his Heir (of 
Gryffindor) status?  Lily, who Voldemort was so dismissive of that 
night Oct. 31, 1981, was the rightful Heiress of Gryffindor all along.

I admit this is rather cheesy, but I always go back to Lily's red 
hair and wonder why that could be important.  I never thought it was 
just some coincidence we're told she just happens to be a red-head 
not unlike the everso famous red-heads, the dyed in the wool 
Gryffindors, the Weasleys.  In a way, kind of like saying, very 
prominently through the Weasleys appearance, red-hair is synonymous 
with Gryffindor and it's *scarlet* & gold colors.  We're also drummed 
in about the inherited family resemblances throughout HP (not just 
with the Weasleys but almost all families in the story).  Could this 
*red hair* be a clue tying both the Weasleys and Evanses to a common 
(red-headed?) Gryffindor ancestor? 

Now I'm going off on a tangent, but this possible (distant) familial 
connection between Lily Evans-Potter and the Weasleys may also 
explain why Harry is allowed to stay with them part of the summer.  
Lily bound all the Gryffindor blood together via the ancient blood-
protection she (whether intentionally or not) evoked that Halloween.  
So Harry is protected under his Aunt's roof, but he's also protected 
at the Burrow (Grimmauld Place in OOTP and his Hogwarts dorm) for the 
same reason?  Wherever his Gryffindor family blood can be found... 
Harry will be protected?

However, I have thought for awhile it's Petunia that was the 
firstborn, not Lily.  This "half-blood *prince*" moniker would make 
rite of succession by birth order (per atypical royalty) 
understandable in this case.  Hence, it's Petunia's child, Dudley, 
theoretically, that could be the current HBP and could be why Harry 
is indeed an Heir of Gryffindor, as COS rather anviliciously eluded, 
but not the HBP.  His mother wasn't first in rite of succession.

~annunathradien