Marauder's Map, the Marauders, and Voldemort

[romulusmmcdougal]

No: HPFGUIDX 108936

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "dumbledore11214" 
<dumbledore11214 at y...> wrote:
> 
> > Eleanor wrote previously:
> > > 
> > > 1) Snape's comment about the map: Snape's seen the names Moony and 
> > > Padfoot on the map and knows who they refer to.  
> 
> 
> RMM: 
> > Does he though?  Why would he bother asking Moony about the map then?
> > And why would he let Moony take the map as well?
> 
> 
> Alla:
> 
> I have no doubt in my mind that Snape knew where the map came from 
> (you don't think he got it right from manufactures - PoA, paraphrase)

Alla,

Still that brings up the question, why bother acting as if he didn't 
know?  If I came across it in Harry's possession, knew what it was, 
and took it from him, I would not have then carried on a charade 
pretending not to know about it.

Secondly, by the message on it when Snape said "Reveal..." shows that 
a cover was planned by the Marauders for Snape if he was prying too 
closely.  I simply do not think that those outside the Marauders were 
privy to the Marauders' nicknames.  I believe I read that somewhere.


> 
> RMM: 
> > We know that Sirius Black, i.e. Padfoot, in Moony's mind, learned 
> > dark arts from Voldemort; we also know that Pettigrew (Wormtail) 
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> > another Marauder -- betrayed another Marauder -- James Potter 
> > (Prongs) and Padfoot to Voldemort.
> > So, here we have at least two Marauders doing stuff with Voldemort.
> > Sounds to me like the Marauders Map has Dark Magic, becoming illegal 
> > Animagi takes some dark magic, and it looks like some of these guys 
> > got in too deep with Voldemort to the point that they started 
> > mistrusting each other.
> > 
> 
> 
> Alla:
> 
> I am sorry? Two marauders doing stuff with Voldemort? You know, ESE!
> Lupin is not a canon yet , no matter how brilliantly Pippin defends 
> this theory. :o) And Sirius , well, as far as we know was not doing 
> any stuff with Voldemort. So, who is the second one?

Lupin was of the firm belief that Sirius was onto some dark arts "from 
Voldemort" in order to gain entrance to Hogwarts.

Now, if there was no Black-Voldemort connection, and one can learn 
dark arts on ones own, why would Lupin think such a thing?

Secondly, Peter Pettigrew also known as Wormtail, was a Marauder.

> 
> Animagi is a Dark Magic? Why? Is McGonagall doing Dark Magic too, in 
> your opinion?

It is obviously an advanced form of magic that is strictly regulated.
How can a Rita Skeeter be so easily blackmailed by the threat of 
exposure for not being registered as a animagus if it was acceptable 
on a large scale?  This heavily implies that it is questionable, if 
not openly dark magic.

McGonagall is most likely a registered animagus.

Let me ask you the question.  Does a good person, who once delved 
heavily into the illegal drug scene, now become once and for all a BAD 
person?  Can good people make bad mistakes?  Can a bad person reform 
oneself?

> 
> Marauders indeed started mistrusting each other at one point, but I 
> view it as falling in the general atmosphere of mistrust, which 
> Voldemort created during the first war, not them being Evil.

My point was never that the Marauders were Evil people.  My point has 
always been that the Marauders were playing with the dark arts under 
the tutelege of Voldemort.

Some pulled back after it got nasty, and some did not.  Some saw it 
for what it was, at least one did not.

RMM