Halloween 81 [Re: To Where To When (TimeTurning that may make sense)]

[Cathy Drolet]

No: HPFGUIDX 108959

> The beginning of SS/PS we see the same thing - Hagrid apparently 
> rescued baby Harry shortly after midnight (when Sirius arrived at the 
> house).  but DD & Hagrid would not have known where to go then.  They 
> would have had to wait until later until someone who had been told 
> the location told them the Harry had disappeared (or told him the 
> location and he discovered Harry was gone).

Josh
"Oh, it's quite possible that Dumbledore already knew the location, 
and in such a manner as to protect the identity of the secret keeper 
(a note, ala #12, but typed), which could be passed on to Hagrid.

"But question... Does it say anywhere that Sirius was there? I reread 
the first chapter of book 1, and Hagrid says he borrowed the bike, 
but not when. How did he get to Godric's Hollow in the first place? 
We still have to believe that Hagrid at that point hadn't put 
together that "young Sirius Black" must have been the traitor, but I 
need info that may or may not be in PoA."

"It was a full 24 hrs between the attack and Privet Drive, and the WW 
knew of the defeat of LV as of that morning. The collapse of other 
wards could certainly have alerted DD to going ons, and he sent 
Minerva to Privet Drive with no explanation and Hagrid to Godric's 
Hollow. DD himself most likely spent the day handling legal matters, 
et al."

DuffyPoo:

McGonagall went to Privet Drive because of Hagrid.   "Hagrid's late. I suppose it was he who told you I'd be here, by the way?" [DD] "Yes," said Professor McGonagall.  

"I met him [Sirius}!" growled Hgrid. "I musta bin the last ter see him before he killed all them people!  It was me what rescued Harry from Lily an' James' house after they was killed!  Jus' got him outta the ruins, poor little thing.....an' Sirius Black turns up, on that flyin' motorbike he used ter ride."  As to how Hagrid got there, under these special circumstances, perhaps he was allowed to 'fly' as he 'flew' when he went to get HP.  (HP & Hagrid didn't use the motorbike to 'fly' back to the mainland so, unless Hagrid left the bike on the island, he didn't use it to get to the island, either.)

I'm beginning to think that the Fidelius Charm evaporates when the house in question is destroyed.  As we've discussed before, even those who know the whereabouts of the house are blocked from entering by the Fidelius Charm.  (The Malfoys, although they probably know where 12 Grimmauld Place is, cannot now enter unless DD, the Secret-Keeper, tells them where it is.) They have to be specifically told by the Secret-Keeper.  Yet here we have Hagrid and Sirius both at the house only a short while after the attack: "Young Sirius Black lent it me. I've got him, sir." [Hagrid speaking] "No problems, were there?" "No, sir -- house was almost destroyed but I got him out all right before the Muggles started swarmin' around."  Both Sirius and Hagrid were at the home, then, right shortly after the incident, before the Muggles in the neighbourhood, who would have heard the racket of the house being destroyed, could even get there.  DD would have known where the house was because he suggested he be the Secret-Keeper himself, he would have 'forgotten' the address, once Wormtail was made Secret-Keeper, but once the house was destroyed, he would know the address again and therefore be alerted to the fact that something had happened there.  Sirius would know by the same method (he was James' best friend, he would know where they lived, until the Fidelius Charm was performed), then DD only had to tell Hagrid so he could go and get Harry.  We don't need DD - or anyone else - to find Wormtail and get the address out of him, DD already knew.




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