Marauder's Map, the Marauders, and Voldemort

[romulusmmcdougal]

No: HPFGUIDX 109043

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" <willsonkmom at m...> 
wrote:
> Potioncat:
> RMM whether anyone turns out to agree with you, you've brought up a 
> whole new way of looking at this. :-)
> 
> I do think the logic above is circular.  To think Black must have 
> suspected Lupin because Lupin had known LV...

Black is not LV so the logic is not circular.  It only shows an 
association, not denied by any of the Marauders, with Voldemort at 
some level.

> 
> Rather I think the Order knew there was a spy in their midst and 
had 
> been for about a year. We know it had become a suspicious time.  

Okay, I am missing something here.  What does the "Order" have to do 
with the Marauders?  I am talking only about the Marauders.


> Lupin had suspected Black had gone to LV.  Black thought Lupin  had 
> gone to LV.  But, actually neither one had.
> 
> ...now however, if you believe in ESE!Black or ESE!Lupin, that 
> changes  the picture!

I do not believe in ESE!Black nor do I believe in ESE!Lupin.
I believe that good people can make bad decisions and pay for it with 
differing degrees of consequence.

I believe Black was reckless, I believe James Potter was reckless, I 
believe that Pettigrew was reckless, and I believe Lupin was reckless.
I believe all of the Marauders were reckless.
I believe they all dabbled in the Dark Arts.
Heck, Hermione, Harry and Ron are in their second year and they are 
already dabbling in the dark arts (Polyjuice Potion).

Your turn of phrase "gone to LV" that you use above is interesting.
Are you suggesting that Lord Voldemort was openly THE DARK LORD all 
the time since leaving school many years before?  So that everyone 
knew who he was and made their choice to ally themselves with him or 
not?
I don't believe that is how Tom Riddle did it.  I believe he only 
showed himself to those that came under his power.  He became more 
bold only after he had a strong following.
See for instance the Black family's support of Tom's pure-blood 
policy.  Where was Tom preaching this policy from?
A ministry of Magic position?  A teaching position at Hogwarts?
A soapbox in Hyde Park?
>From where was he attracting his followers?

I think he may have been teaching for a time at Hogwarts!  The very 
place that loved him.  He was Head Boy after all.

Now, put in that light, the Marauders may have been attracted to Tom 
by his level of knowledge in the dark arts.  After all, the dark arts 
do attract, do they not?
The Marauders are daring, are they not?
Tom Riddle makes their acquaintance at some point -- either before 
they leave school -- say even in their sixth or seventh years at 
Hogwarts where Tom is teaching, or even after school.

This brings up more speculation.  Perhaps Tom was teaching them the 
Defense against the dark arts.  And while he was teaching the class 
ostensibly "defense against" the dark arts, perhaps he was bringing 
in some dark arts itself to use as part of the class.
Remember, this class is a dynamite subject as it surely attracts one 
by its subject matter.
Some of the students say got involved more than was good for them.
Note that most if not all of the DeathEaters are of the same age as 
Harry's father.  This implies heavily that Tom, who is another 
generation before James Potter, would be recruiting from his 
students, his students being the same age group as James Potter, 
Sirius Black, Peter Pettigrew, Remus Lupin, Lucius Malfoy, Crabbe, 
Goyle, Bellatrix Lestrange, etc. etc.

So, that is all I have to say for now.

RMM
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