Molly & others' vulnerability (DD specifically)

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No: HPFGUIDX 109084

Siriusly Snapey Susan:
> > So your belief is that DD would GO AFTER Harry (or Ron or 
> > Hermione), as he did in the MoM and duke it out.  Yes.  It does 
> > seem more "DD'ish" to take action rather than to be forced into 
> > negotiations of any kind.


Magda [responding not to this comment but in the previous post, also 
in the same thread]:
> Perhaps I'm biased since I haven't liked Molly since the dress 
> robes incident in GoF but I really think she's one of those people 
> who prefers to deny unplesantness until she can't anymore and then 
> never has a backup plan to deal with the consequences. Okay, if 
> she lost two brothers to Voldemort, she obviously doesn't want to 
> lose any more family; completely understandable. But she's not 
> realistic in the way she deals with things and Harry was prevented 
> from spending a lot of time with Sirius - important, guy-bonding,
> tell-me-about-my-parents- time - because she kept interupting them 
> or would insist on Harry helping clean. The woman just has no
> sensitivity at all.


While "dcgmck" responded to my above snippet with:
> I also believe that Molly would do the same [as DD--that is, go 
> after Harry].  Though I lack canonical proof, she seems to be 
> Gryffindor material as much as any of the others.  Given the 
> opportunity, I don't see her falling apart; rather, she's far more 
> likely to accept reality and deal with it pragmatically than she 
> has hypothetical situations.  It's the fear of possibilities, not 
> reality that daunts her.


SSSusan:
Isn't that fascinating??  I love this board!  Here are two people 
looking at the same character and considering some of the same 
scenes, and they're arriving at polar opposite positions on Molly.

Magda was frank enough to admit that she doesn't like Molly much, 
not since GoF.  I can't speak for dcgmck, but I will also be frank 
and say that I, by & large, really DO like Molly.  Maybe my liking 
her makes me lean towards the conclusion that dcgmck draws.  Whether 
it's bias or not, I think dcgmck makes a strong point that Molly is 
awful in hypothetical situations--worrying about the "what ifs"--but 
that perhaps she'd be as strong & capable as the other Order members 
if she were out there "dealing with it."  I tend to agree.

As for the comment "the woman has no sensitivity at all", again, 
this speaks to our different interpretations & reactions to Molly.  
You haven't cared for her since GoF.  Whereas probably the most 
poignant moment in the books so far for me was one in GoF, and it 
took place between Molly & Harry.  It occurs in the hospital wing, 
after the TriWizard tourney & graveyard horrors are over, and Molly 
envelopes Harry in a hug, holding him the way *every* child deserves 
to be held by someone who loves him.  I saw that as extremely 
sensitive.  I could be cynical and say that's what MOLLY needed at 
that moment, but I don't think that's all that was behind it.  I 
think she loves Harry very much, and she knew that he needed to feel 
parental love at that moment.


Back to the thread that was at hand...

SSiriusly Snapey Susan previously:
> > On your other point, it does seem that DD frequently knows where 
> > people who interest him are/when he needs to return from 
> > wherever he is, etc.  Does it hold true for knowing where VOLDY 
> > is, too, do you think?  It seems to me that it must not.  

dcgmck:
> As far as LV is concerned, I think that there's the whole 
> irresistible force vs. immovable object thing going on there.  LV, 
> when fully charged, is quite capable of putting up the same kinds 
> of magical defenses against detection that others use.  (Note: 
> same kind is not 'same'.)  However... an uncharged or discharged 
> current is as difficult to discern as a shielded one, so I think 
> that DD's failure to detect LV catching a ride with Quirrel is not 
> beyond plausibility.  

SSSusan:
Definitely sounds plausible to me.


dcgmck: 
> Say, do you suppose GG also had a chamber built?

SSSusan:
Not a chance. :-)


Siriusly Snapey Susan