Case for Marauders (was Re: Marauders, Voldemort and the Map)

[Amey Chinchorkar]

No: HPFGUIDX 109107

Amey:
Let me start by quoting Sherlock Holmes
 “Circumstantial evidence is two edged sword. It may point to one thing but if you change your point of view slightly, it may point to asomething entirely different” (I don’t have exact quote, but you will get my gist.)
Sorry if I snip the quotes you have given, but I don’t want to contest them.
-	RMM
-	<snip> Lupin says that Black was using dark arts learned from
-	Voldemort.  What does Black respond with?  "NO NO NO, I had nothing
-	to do with Voldemort!!!!"  No.  He responds with "what does Snape
-	have to do with it?"
-	This implies that Black has been doing something with Voldemort, for
-	he does not deny it.

Amey:
Why should he deny it again when Lupin said that he believed it because he didn’t want to believe that Sirius was getting in the school using their common knowledge. He wasn’t accussing Sirius there, he was saying what he wanted to believe, not even what he *really* believed. Now talking of Snape, it’s a different matter, he is age-old enemy and *known DE*.

-	RMM
-	>snip>Black and Pettigrew are friends at this point, for Black is able to
-	have Pettigrew become Secret-Keeper and convince the Potters of that
-	arrangement.

Amey:
Of course they are friends. Isn’t wormtail sitting between the Potters in the Photograph??? Though I wonder where Lupin was then, but then again, it might have a logical answer. After Black, Lupin is the closest friend of the Potters. Now Voldemort doesn’t believe in doing things in half. He will go for Sirius and Lupin both, but never for wormtail (in ideal conditions). Also if someone close to Potters is providing the information to Des, then natural choices are Sirius or Lupin. Now, Sirius is still to be believed, so who remains???

-	RMM
-	Now, see this:
-	Again, Black does not deny an association with Voldemort, he only
-	snorts at the term "tricks".

Amey:
Who is putting the stress on *tricks*? If you see, the word is not italicized or anything, the whole sentence is a snort
 Voldemort and teaching tricks both are worth a snort for Sirius.

-	RMM
-	And:
-	Pettigrew had been spying for Voldemort for at least a year before
-	the Potters died.  Yet, he was on good terms with Black and the
-	Potters.

Amey:
This is the information Sirius received when he heard the captured DEs speaking in Azkaban. 

said Black. "You've been hiding from Voldemort's old supporters. I heard things in Azkaban, Peter... They all think you're dead, or you'd have to answer to them....” (PoA)

 So even if he was a friend of Peter then, now he knows the truth about him firsthand. And as it seems Bella is quite close to Voldemort, she must know the truth about Peter.

-	RMM
-	Wormtail puts the other Marauders all in the same group as being
-	brave, as if they were able to stand up to Voldemort where Wormtail
-	was not.
-	This implies heavily that the Marauders, either collectively or
-	individually had some sort of relationship with Voldemort, and we see
-	from the narration that that relationship involved "learning"
-	and "teaching".  Hence, the idea that Voldemort was tutoring some or
-	all of them comes into one's head.
-	Heck, who knows?  Maybe Voldemort was teaching at Hogwarts for a time!



Amey:
Of course, Potter defied Voldemort three times. So if the prophesy (and Dumbledore) is right, they stood *against*  Voldemort and defied him
 and also lived to tell the tales
 they are of course brave. 

Also,
“"Very few people know that Lord Voldemort was once called Tom
Riddle. I taught him myself, fifty years ago, at Hogwarts. He
disappeared after leaving the school ... traveled far and wide ... sank
so deeply into the Dark Arts, consorted with the very worst of our
kind, underwent so many dangerous, magical transformations, that
when he resurfaced as Lord Voldemort, he was barely recognizable.
Hardly anyone connected Lord Voldemort with the clever,
handsome boy who was once Head Boy here."” (CoS - Dumbledore)

When was he going to teach them?? 


-	CMM:
-	Black believed Lupin was spying for Voldemort!!!  Why would he unless
-	he knew Lupin was involved with Voldemort in some fashion??

Amey:
Why is there so much stress on the word *know*? He believed that Lupin was a spy, he didn’t know it. Well the *circumstantial evidence* was the (agaiun wrongly) against Lupin.

-	CMM:
-	Conclusion:  All of the Marauders were involved with Voldemort.  Some
-	of the Marauders more than the others.  All the Marauders can use
-	Voldemort's name with ease, implying that they are not under
-	Voldemort's sway or afraid of him -- that is, all except Wormtail.
-	Also, Voldemort was doing some kind of instruction with them as the
-	nature of the relationship revolved around "learning" and "teaching".

Amey:
The Map was prepared when they were in school. So does that mean they were taking private lessons from Voldemort while they were in school? We have seen that anybody who has worked under Voldemort (including Snape) is mortally afraid of saying his name. Doesn’t this prove anything????

Amey, who will dig up some more evidence that Marauders were free of any Voldemort connection, except of course one of them.




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]