Marauder's Map, the Marauders, and Voldemort

[Cathy Drolet]

No: HPFGUIDX 109129

> > RMM:
> > Conclusion:  All of the Marauders were involved with Voldemort.  
> > Some of the Marauders more than the others.  All the Marauders 
> > can use Voldemort's name with ease, implying that they are not 
> > under Voldemort's sway or afraid of him -- that is, all except 
> > Wormtail.

DuffyPoo:
Who are the people who say LV's name with ease?  DD, Lupin, Sirius, HP, and now Hemione Granger.  Why?  Simply because none of them bought into the fear factor.  TR says, "No, Harry.  I fashioned myself a new name, a name I knew wizards everywhere would one day *fear to speak,* when I had become the greatest sorcerer in the world!"  People in the Wizarding World in general are afraid to speak LV's name now because they know, truly in their hearts, he isn't really gone, and are afraid speaking the name will make him reappear.  DD isn't afraid of LV; to him he's still the brilliant but pompous and arrogant schoolboy he knew 50 years ago.  Lupin and Sirius aren't afraid of him simply because they're not...they believe that "fear of a name increases fear of the thing itself."  He was defeated once, he'll be defeated again and there's nothing in his name to fear.  HP, in the beginning, didn't know any better, but from the end of first year, when DD told him to "Call himVoldemort, Harry.  Always use the proper name for things. Fear of a name increases fear of the thing itself," he knows the 'name' is nothing to be afraid of.  And finally, after DD practically forcing McGonagall to say his name, after Lupin saying 'Oh, Molly, come on, it's about time you got used to hearing his name....,"our dear Hermione has figured it out.  Fear of a name increases fear of the thing.  She is making herself unafraid, or at least less afraid, of LV by openly speaking his name.  She believes, if they can only get others to be unafraid of speaking his name (watch her go at Ron for quivering), they will have a formidable army in the next battle.

Wormtail was a traitor, he is a DE, he has the mark.  All the DE's honour their Lord by not speaking his name.  By calling him the Dark Lord out of respect and possibly fear.  

RMM
"Truly?  Dumbledore suspected Riddle, but if Riddle has not shown 
himself as Lord Voldemort until he gains a greater following, how is 
Dumbledore to know what his DADA teacher is doing?
Lupin has shown that he keeps things from Dumbledore, just like the 
rest of the Marauders. Malfoy and the other Slytherins like the pure-
blood talk of Riddle and so are they going to mention anything to 
that muggle-loving Dumbledore?"

DuffyPoo now:
"Dumbledore took the diary from Harry and peered keenly down his long, crooked nose at its burnt and soggy pages. 'Brilliant,' he said softly. 'Of course, he was probably the most brilliant student Hogwarts has ever seen.' He turned around to the Weasleys, who were looking utterly bewildered.
'Very few people know that Lord Voldemort was once called Tom Riddle.  I taught him myself, fifty years ago, at Hogwarts.  He disappeared after leaving school ... travelled far and wide ... sank so deeply into the Dark Arts, consorted with the very worst of our kind, underwent so many dangerous, magical transformations, that when he resurfaced as Lord Voldemort, he was barely recognisable. Hardly anyone connected Lord Voldemort with the clever, handsome boy who was once Head Boy here.' "  I realize this can be read many ways but I read it as DD knew who TR/LV was all along.  HP didn't make a revelation to DD when he said TR is LV.  DD is stunned but the brilliance of TR in making this diary.  
I think this rules out LV as a teacher at Hogwarts.  He went away as Tom Riddle and resurfaced as Lord Voldemort.  DD was already Headmaster, we know, from before Lupin started (how long before, we don't yet know) which was 1971.  LV was rising in power throughout 1970-1981 .(if you believe it was 11 years..."You can't blame them, ' said Dumbledore gently. "We've had precious little to celebrate for eleven years." Said the night they were delivering HP to the Dursleys, so 1981.)  DD knew who he was and wouldn't let LV teach Dark Arts if he had to cancel the class because he couldn't find an appropriate teacher. LV would be in the building up his army coming 'to' power before 1970.  Certainly the youth of the day would be a good place to cultivate followers, but would he have time to teach?  Could the DADA teacher in those days have not, more easily, done the cultivating for him?  Riddle knew how closely DD watched those he suspected/mistrusted. One slip on his part as a teacher .... 

RMM
"BTW, THE DARK LORD wasn't walking around bellowing to the world -- 
join up or die -- or ONLY BAD GUYS WANTED HERE -- or I WANT TO KILL 
ALL MUD-BLOODS - JOIN UP OR ELSE!
Evil does not work that way."

DuffyPoo:
This is my reasoning, exactly, as to how we don't know who, besides Lily and James and Frank and Alice, have denied LV three times.  We know they did, because DD says so.  So far, that's all we have to go on.  We don't know what they did but I don't believe, necessarily, that they escaped 'death' three times.  Defying only means open resistance or failure to comply.  Did no one else, in the whole WW, deny LV three times?  That's a hard one for me to swallow. As you say, LV wasn't knocking on doors saying 'Join me or die.'  People were resisting by simply telling Lucius Malfoy, and others in the 'gang,' to bugger off.  Anyone, therefore, who joined the Order of the Phoenix openly resisted LV once.  Sirius Black could have been seen as defying LV when severed ties with his family.

RMM:
"So what did Voldie do then...... Put a running ad in the Daily 
Prophet?  JOIN THE DARK SIDE and TAKE OVER
No, that is not how he did it...."

DuffyPoo:
LV already had his 'most intimate friends.'  Those with whom he called himself Lord Voldemort while he was at school. (Perhaps DD got wind of it there he 'doesn't miss a trick, that man.')  Would he not have made contact with them as soon as he resurfaced?  (Or kept contact with them, for that matter. while he was transforming?) 

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