Halloween 81

[lorelei3dg]

No: HPFGUIDX 109168

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Cathy Drolet" <cldrolet at s...> 
wrote:
 
> Lorel replied:
> "It might be simpler than this. Isn't there some comment in OotP 
that 
> even though Harry knew the address of the Order, he would be 
> restricted by magic so that he would not be able to mention it to 
> people outside the Order? Also, even though DD is the Secret Keeper 
> for 12 GP, others know of the address."
> 
>  
> DuffyPoo again:
> 
> I don't recall ever reading that Harry was prevented by magic from 
telling someone the address of the Order, (not that it's not in 
there, I just don't recall it), but if they did, the person couldn't 
find GP anyway because Harry is not the Secret-Keeper.  

Lorel: 
I can't remember where (or even if) I read that, and can't access the 
book right now. When I get home on Monday, I can look for it. In the 
meantime, my apologies for bringing it up without textual support!

DuffyPoo:
Only the Secret-Keeper can tell anyone the address and have them find 
the place. The only people who can get into 12 GP, now that DD is the 
Secret-Keeper are the people DD himself tells (either words or 
writing, I presume).   So, now that DD is the S-K of 12 GP, the 
Malfoys will not be able to enter it, even if they had visited there 
frequently before. At least that is how I understand it (which I 
admit, means nothing.)  

Lorel: Yes, we're on the same page here.

DuffyPoo:
The only concern I have regarding S-K and GP in particular is 
Kreacher.  Did DD tell him the address?  If not, how does he manage 
to go between GP and the Malfoy residence?  Is it just more House-Elf 
brand magic?

Lorel:
I hadn't thought of that. At first thought I'd go with the idea of 
the House-Elf Magic. I hope we learn more about their power in the 
future books.

DuffyPoo: 
> Who are the others that know the address?  Do you mean the Malfoys, 
Tonks' parents, and the Lestranges?  If that is who you do mean, I 
would expect, as stated above, that unless DD tells them the address 
himself, they can no longer find the place.  

Lorel:
Actually, I meant the other members of the Order. They all know the 
address and can access the house even though they are not S-K. I was 
then drawing a parallel between this and Godric's Hollow: the Order 
members can get to 12 GP but not divulge its secrets; why couldn't 
Peter have shared the address with Sirius? He, too, would be able to 
access the house in GH.

DuffyPoo:
Even though Nymphadora (what a name!) Tonks knows where 12 GP is, she 
cannot bring Andromeda or Ted to GP because she is not the Secret-
Keeper.  As above, at least this is my understanding of how it 
works.  


Lorel: 
Exactly. So why would this be any different for Sirius? He can get 
there, but not bring people with whom Peter had not shared the 
secret. Of course, it just occurred to me that within this setup, 
Sirius would be the only other person who could know, because 
otherwise everyone else would have known that Peter was the S-K. 
Hmmm, that's a big weakness in my theory.