Marauder's Map, the Marauders, and Voldemort

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No: HPFGUIDX 109324

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Nora Renka" <nrenka at y...> 
wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "romulusmmcdougal" 
> <romulus at h...> wrote:
> 
> <snippity>
> 
> > 1. <<Lupin: And so I convinced myself that Sirius was getting 
into 
> > the school using dark arts he learned from Voldemort, that being 
> > an Animagus had nothing to do with it... so, in a way, Snape's 
> > been right about me all along."
> > "Snape?" said Black harshly, taking his eyes off Scabbers; for 
the 
> > first time in minutes and looking up at Lupin. "What's Snape got 
> > to do with it?">>
> > 
> > Note: Lupin says that Black was using dark arts learned from 
> > Voldemort.  

No, he doesn't. He is presenting it as a lie he was telling himself, 
to avoid having to feel the obligation to tell DD about Black's 
animagus ability. It is *not* a statement of fact. You can't just 
pluck a sentence out of context like that and not lose practically 
all it's meaning!

> > 
> > Black believed Lupin was spying for Voldemort!!!  Why would he 
> > unless he knew Lupin was involved with Voldemort in some fashion??
> 
> Unanswered question, and an awfully curious one.  Kinda one of the 
> $10,000 questions of the series.  The answer might lie in Peter-the-
> actual-spy, or, don't forget the general thematic emphasis on 
> Voldemort's *ability* to spread fear and all that other stuff.  In 
> other words, the most likely situation is that *neither* of them 
> were actually, factually involved with Voldemort--but each (for the 
> Unknown Reason) thought the other was.  There's really nothing more 
> to say on this question until we get canon on it.


Ummm... Am I missing something? They suspected each other because 
they knew (via DD) that there was a spy in the Potter's near circle 
of friends. So, it's not that they inherently didn't trust each 
other, but that they were forced to consider that one of their best 
friends is a traitor. Everybody apparently had a blind spot regarding 
Peter (including the Potters), so what other choice did they have 
(each one knowing himself to be innocent) but suspect the other?

> > Conclusion:  All of the Marauders were involved with Voldemort.  
> > Some of the Marauders more than the others.  All the Marauders 
can 
> > use Voldemort's name with ease, implying that they are not under 
> > Voldemort's sway or afraid of him -- that is, all except Wormtail.
> > Also, Voldemort was doing some kind of instruction with them as 
> > the nature of the relationship revolved around "learning" 
> > and "teaching".
> > 
> > Heck, who knows?  Maybe Voldemort was teaching at Hogwarts for a 
> > time!
> 
> One major problem with this; Dumbledore has been at Hogwarts the 
> whole time, right?  He was Transfiguration teacher back when Tom 
> Riddle was at school, and he became Headmaster some time around 
when 
> Lupin would be heading off to school, because he let him in.  Now, 
> Dumbledore *knows* who and what Tom Riddle/Lord Voldemort is--
unless 
> you think Voldie could pull off a Crouch!Moody on him, this seems 
> mighty unlikely.  In addition to Voldie, well, just not seeming the 
> type to want to spend his time teachin' the kids...

Also, DD said that Tom Riddle disappeared for many years, to 
*resurface* as Voldemort. Secondly, if Volermort was supposed to 
teach the Marauders at Hogwarts, the timing is off, since that was 
the time of the VW I. 

 
> -Nora notes that her favorite person in Theory Bay is Faith, who 
> always comes out of Hurricane Jo with her haircut intact

Yep. I've identified with Faith long ago, and have never found cause 
to revoke that decision ...


Naama