biggest SPOILER _ graveyard at Hogwarts

[meriaugust]

No: HPFGUIDX 109744

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "arielock2001" <arielock at a...> 
wrote:
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> The prophesy refers to someone born as "the seventh month"
> dies. The word September is from Latin meaning "the seventh
> month." Without a doubt, JKR knows this. Almost all of the
> spells are based on Latin words. The woman knows her Latin.
> At least one person has to have been born on the Sept 30, as
> someone with that birthday has to fill the prophesy. There is no
> way that prophesy is about Harry. He was born in July. It is the
> seventh calander month, but that is the big red herring. 

Meri: Well, yeah, a thousand years ago or whatever, September was 
the seventh month, but now July is. I think that the use of the 
phrase "seventh month" was just to make it seem more mystical and 
dramatic. It sounds better, after all, than "born as July dies". And 
also the use of the word "approaches". It is strongly implied that 
at the time of the prophecy the person to whom it refers is not yet 
born. 

> Dumbledore may think the prophesy is about Harry, but let's not
> forget there are two books to go. JKR loves to convince us of
> one thing and then have it be completely wrong (please see the
> end of every book, except the fifth one).

Meri: Yes, but lets also remember that every time she convinced us 
of something she also resolved it in the same novel: 
SS: We thought Snape was the bad guy, only to discover that Quirell 
was ESE in the last chapter. 
CoS: We were all convinced that Diary!Tom Riddle was a begnin 
entity, until we discover in the second to last chapter that he is 
infact, ESE. 
PoA: We are led to believe that Sirius is ESE, that Pettigrew is 
dead, etc. But we discover the opposite in the Shreiking Shack scene.
GoF: We are sure that Moody is on the side of good, only to discover 
that he is the most ESE that he can be. (And that Snape was a DE, 
but I had an inkling about that beforehand.) 

But what were we convinced of in Order? And what was resolved? Order 
doesn't follow this pattern, mostly, I think, because this is what 
I'd call the turning point in the series (which I actually think 
started just after the third task in Goblet, but that's another 
thing). It's the big revelation. The "No, I am your father" of the 
series. And, if you remember, Empire Strikes Back didn't have any 
resolution, either. (Nor do most middle, turning point chapters in 
epic series: Two Towers, Taran Wanderer, Empire, Subtle Knife, etc.) 
 
> Lily fits the positive personality aspects folklore associated with
> Libras. http://search.cari.com.my/horoscopes/libra.php (this
> website has lots of info and no pop-up, but many others have the
> same info)
> She seems to abhor anything she thinks is unfair, and will
> intervene when she sees fit (fighting against Voldemort,
> standing up to James when he was bullying Snape). 

Meri: Actually, we have very little cannon to support anything about 
Lily Evans' personality. We were led to beileve pre-Order that she 
was a wonderful, saintly human being, but remember we were also led 
to beileve the same about James. He had flaws, just like Lily did, 
and remember that the movies (specifically Lupin's bizarre speech 
about Lily in PoA) are not cannon. And I would also point out what 
Lily did after Snape called her a mudblood and James continued to 
harass and humiliate him: she walked away and had to try not to 
laugh. Also, those horoscopes are terribly innacurate and objective. 
Most are also contradictory, and are so vauge that many people 
(myself included) can fit themselves to many different signs. (I 
being a Virgo). 

The
> symbol for Libra is balanced scales. JKR loves playing with
> names, for example Hagrid is a play on haggard, Umbridge is a
> play on umbrage, it seems fitting that Lily Evans is supposed to
> look like Lily Evens.

Meri: Again, speculation. After the whole Mark Evans episode I don't 
know how much attention we should pay to such Muggle sounding names. 

Meri - not quite convinced that we fans (as a collective, I'm not 
singling anyone out) have yet come close to figuring out JKR's 
ultimate plot...