[HPforGrownups] Re: Harry's Use of Cruciatus curse/Killing Voldemort?

[Wendi Williams]

No: HPFGUIDX 110033

HunterGreen:
But they are already bad enough without that. Avada kedarva is *only*
a killing curse, and there is no way to block it. Imperius forces
people to do things against their will, and crucio causes unbearable
pain. Those are all extreme enough to ban. We know that crucio
requires certain emotions, but imperius and AK might not require
that. Crucio is about causing pain and nothing else, so it makes
sense that it would require certain emotions to summon it (like
expecto patronum). The other to might just need a certain amount of
practice and power to do correctly.

gwennie357:
Well, I'm de-lurking in order to respond to this one. I know for me, the 
most emotional part of OotP was when Harry cast the cruciatus on Bellatrix. 
I didn't cry for Sirius until after that happened, and it was mostly because 
of Harry's desire to inflict harm. Which is what I think this boils down to: 
the will or desire to inflict lasting harm on another person. The 
Unforgiveables are unforgiveable - I think - because the person WANTS to 
cast them. No, I don't think Harry's wrong or should go to Azkaban for 
attempting the cruciatus on Bellatrix - let's face it, she deserved it - but 
the fact remains that he WANTED to hurt her. Wanted to kill her actually, as 
he said earlier in the chapter. I believe the UCs are all about motivation: 
I don't think it would be possible to cast any of them without the clear 
desire to use them. Certainly I think in order to kill someone using AK, the 
desire to kill must be present. With imperious as well, unless you truly 
desire to physically, mentally, and emotionally control another person, you 
wouldn't be able to properly cast it. So while I too worried (and cried) 
over Harry being able to summon enough anger and pain to even attempt the 
cruciatus, I think the fact that it was unsuccessful is a testament to his 
true nature. We all feel angry enough to say we want to hurt someone at some 
time, but the difference is in the true will and desire to follow through 
with it -- that's what would make it unforgiveable.

In  my opinion.

Happy to de-lurk!

gwennie

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