Case for Marauders
romulusmmcdougal
romulus at hermionegranger.us
Sun Aug 15 04:28:01 UTC 2004
No: HPFGUIDX 110082
--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Cathy Drolet" <cldrolet at s...>
wrote:
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> RMM said:
> "Something happens in the 6th year, because Sirius finds his OWN
PLACE
> TO LIVE between his 6th and 7th years at Hogwarts."
>
> DuffyPoo:
> Yes, something happens. Sirius turns seventeen, becomes an adult
in
the wizarding world, and has been given a good bit of gold by his
Uncle Alphard. Sirius now is of age to move out on his own and has
the
means to do so, so doesn't need to rely on the kindness of the Potter
family any longer.
RMM:
I understand. And I agree to a point. However, there is canon to
show that a rift occurs between Sirius and James. Let me explain.
First the excerpt from OotP:
<<'You ran away from home?'
'When I was about sixteen,' said Sirius. 'I'd had enough.'
'Where did you go?' asked Harry, staring at him.
'Your dad's place,' said Sirius. 'Your grandparents were really good
about it; they sort of adopted me as a second son. Yeah, I camped out
at your dad's in the school holidays, and when I was seventeen I got
a
place of my own. My Uncle Alphard had left me a decent bit of gold -
he's been wiped off here, too, that's probably why - anyway, after
that I looked after myself. I was always welcome at Mr and Mrs
Potter's for Sunday lunch, though.'>>
Sirius and James are best friends when they leave school at the end
of
the 5th year.
Sirius moves in with the Potter family after school ends, and spends
the next summer with them before returning to Hogwarts for their 6th
year.
James' parents "sort of adopt" Sirius as a second son.
James and Sirius attend 6th year at Hogwarts.
After 6th year, Sirius gets a place on his own, since he has money to
do so.
So why not go live with the Potters, who have essentially adopted
him,
and be with his best friend, and save his money?
Now why do I think he and James were not getting along?
See what he says next: "I was always welcome at Mr and Mrs Potter's
for Sunday lunch, though."
Note some things about this statement:
1. "welcome at Mr. and Mrs. Potters". Why didn't he say "the
Potters"? Earlier he said "your dad's". Now it's "Mr. and Mrs.
Potter's".
2. "for Sunday lunch". He is welcome at Mr. and Mrs. Potter's for
"Sunday lunch"?????? What about any meal or any time of the week?
For crying out loud, they have practically adopted him! "Sunday
lunch"???
3. "though". "Though" means "in spite of the fact that". So,
Sirius
is welcome at Mr. and Mrs. Potter's for Sunday lunch, in spite of the
fact that he was now living on his own???? So he would be more
welcome to visit more if he wasn't living on his own? The Potters
are
upset with him because he is living on his own and so will only
welcome him on Sunday at lunch?
Sorry, but the way this sentence is phrased is loaded with a
circumstantial case for the fact that Sirius was living on his own
and
was welcome at the Potters ONLY for Sunday lunch because he and James
were not getting along.
And if you think that is a stretch, I have seen other hypotheses
posted here that are based on a lot less.
> DuffyPoo:
> That's quite a stretch for me to follow. Sirius visits the Potters
for Sunday dinner, in a family environment to share a family meal
with
friends, including James, because the Potter family is kind to their
son's friends and don't want to see Sirius alone for Sunday lunch. I
see no evidence, in canon, that James ever left his family home until
he married Lily.
RMM:
And no one is implying that James left home until he married Lily.
But the only time Sirius is welcome to see his adoptive parents is
Sunday for lunch.
DuffyPoo:
[How many people here who had a child fall out with a best friend,
would continue to invite the former best friend for Sunday lunch?
RMM:
If that person was an adopted second son, I would. Mr. and Mrs.
Potter have a very close relationship with Sirius, that much is clear.
> RMM said:
> "That something is the entrance of James, Remus, and Peter into the
> clutches and organization of Voldemort."
>
> DuffyPoo:
> Canon please?
RMM:
This is inference based on what I have been posting from canon for
several days now.
If you want, I can repost the things from canon that give the basis
for the idea that Lupin, Black, and Pettigrew were associated with
Voldemort.
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DuffyPoo:
First off, I don't believe, from canon, that there ever was a rift
between James and Sirius.
RMM:
Best friends cannot have a fight? Best friends can't fallout over
something as serious as one of them wanting to join a pureboodism
group?
<snipped?
DuffPoo:
I posted the other day, that if the Marauders had all been part of
this group, and then all but PP left the group, I can't see how
James,
Sirius or Lupin would ever trust PP again with anything, never mind
anything as important as being James and Lily's Secret-Keeper.
RMM:
I would say that all four "appeared" to have left the group. They
all went to DD and told him what was going on, and they all joined
the
Order of the Phoenix when it was formed.
Anyway, 'nuff said for now.
RMM
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