Case for Marauders

romulusmmcdougal romulus at hermionegranger.us
Sun Aug 15 04:28:01 UTC 2004


No: HPFGUIDX 110082

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Cathy Drolet" <cldrolet at s...> 
wrote:
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> RMM said:
> "Something happens in the 6th year, because Sirius finds his OWN 
PLACE 
> TO LIVE between his 6th and 7th years at Hogwarts."
> 
> DuffyPoo:
> Yes, something happens.  Sirius turns seventeen, becomes an adult
in 
the wizarding world, and has been given a good bit of gold by his 
Uncle Alphard. Sirius now is of age to move out on his own and has
the 
means to do so, so doesn't need to rely on the kindness of the Potter 
family any longer.  

RMM:
I understand.  And I agree to a point.  However, there is canon to 
show that a rift occurs between Sirius and James.  Let me explain.

First the excerpt from OotP:
<<'You ran away from home?'
'When I was about sixteen,' said Sirius. 'I'd had enough.'
'Where did you go?' asked Harry, staring at him.
'Your dad's place,' said Sirius. 'Your grandparents were really good 
about it; they sort of adopted me as a second son. Yeah, I camped out 
at your dad's in the school holidays, and when I was seventeen I got
a 
place of my own. My Uncle Alphard had left me a decent bit of gold - 
he's been wiped off here, too, that's probably why - anyway, after 
that I looked after myself. I was always welcome at Mr and Mrs 
Potter's for Sunday lunch, though.'>>

Sirius and James are best friends when they leave school at the end
of 
the 5th year.
Sirius moves in with the Potter family after school ends, and spends 
the next summer with them before returning to Hogwarts for their 6th 
year.
James' parents "sort of adopt" Sirius as a second son.

James and Sirius attend 6th year at Hogwarts.

After 6th year, Sirius gets a place on his own, since he has money to 
do so.
So why not go live with the Potters, who have essentially adopted
him, 
and be with his best friend, and save his money?

Now why do I think he and James were not getting along?
See what he says next: "I was always welcome at Mr and Mrs Potter's 
for Sunday lunch, though."
Note some things about this statement:
1.  "welcome at Mr. and Mrs. Potters".  Why didn't he say "the 
Potters"?  Earlier he said "your dad's".  Now it's "Mr. and Mrs. 
Potter's".  
2. "for Sunday lunch".  He is welcome at Mr. and Mrs. Potter's for 
"Sunday lunch"??????  What about any meal or any time of the week?
For crying out loud, they have practically adopted him!  "Sunday 
lunch"???
3.  "though".  "Though" means "in spite of the fact that".  So,
Sirius 
is welcome at Mr. and Mrs. Potter's for Sunday lunch, in spite of the 
fact that he was now living on his own????  So he would be more 
welcome to visit more if he wasn't living on his own?  The Potters
are 
upset with him because he is living on his own and so will only 
welcome him on Sunday at lunch?

Sorry, but the way this sentence is phrased is loaded with a 
circumstantial case for the fact that Sirius was living on his own
and 
was welcome at the Potters ONLY for Sunday lunch because he and James 
were not getting along.

And if you think that is a stretch, I have seen other hypotheses 
posted here that are based on a lot less.

> DuffyPoo:
> That's quite a stretch for me to follow.  Sirius visits the Potters 
for Sunday dinner, in a family environment to share a family meal
with 
friends, including James, because the Potter family is kind to their 
son's friends and don't want to see Sirius alone for Sunday lunch.  I 
see no evidence, in canon, that James ever left his family home until 
he married Lily.

RMM:
And no one is implying that James left home until he married Lily.
But the only time Sirius is welcome to see his adoptive parents is 
Sunday for lunch.

DuffyPoo:
  [How many people here who had a child fall out with a best friend, 
would continue to invite the former best friend for Sunday lunch?

RMM:
If that person was an adopted second son, I would.  Mr. and Mrs. 
Potter have a very close relationship with Sirius, that much is clear.


> RMM said: 
> "That something is the entrance of James, Remus, and Peter into the 
> clutches and organization of Voldemort."
> 
> DuffyPoo:
> Canon please? 

RMM:
This is inference based on what I have been posting from canon for 
several days now.
If you want, I can repost the things from canon that give the basis 
for the idea that Lupin, Black, and Pettigrew were associated with 
Voldemort.

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DuffyPoo:
 First off, I don't believe, from canon, that there ever was a rift 
between James and Sirius.

RMM:
Best friends cannot have a fight?  Best friends can't fallout over 
something as serious as one of them wanting to join a pureboodism 
group?

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DuffPoo:
I posted the other day, that if the Marauders had all been part of 
this group, and then all but PP left the group, I can't see how
James, 
Sirius or Lupin would ever trust PP again with anything, never mind 
anything as important as being James and Lily's Secret-Keeper.  

RMM:
I would say that all four "appeared" to have left the group.  They
all went to DD and told him what was going on, and they all joined
the 
Order of the Phoenix when it was formed.

Anyway, 'nuff said for now.

RMM
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