Dumbledore and Socks, Magical Contracts, and Bertie Botts Beans

huntergreen_3 patientx3 at aol.com
Sun Aug 15 05:18:39 UTC 2004


No: HPFGUIDX 110084

HunterGreen:
You know, I have to wonder about this thread, I just quickly re-read 
part of GoF, and its rather clear on the subject. Moody himself says 
that the whoever put Harry's name in the goblet would have 
to 'hoodwink a very powerful magical object' and seeing how its HIM 
who did this, I can't see the room to argue. Anyone could have 
probably just slipped Harry's name under 'Hogwarts', but he had to 
make *sure* that Harry was the one picked, hence the submitting under 
a false school and tricking the goblet into picking four champions. 

Bookworm wrote:
>>1. Would the protective line prevent someone from entering two
names? For example, *if* Fred had persuaded Angelina to enter his
name as well as her own, would she have been stopped because she had
two papers in her hand?<<

HunterGreen:
I think she wouldn't. The line was just a line. All it did was 
prevent students under the age of 17 from crossing. That's it. 
There's no evidence that the line and the goblet were tied together 
magically or that the line did anything but what we've been told. I 
think it was sort of an honor system method (considering the older 
students) combined with the fact that IF a younger student was 
picked, everyone would know that they cheated, and the older student 
who helped them would be found out and punished. This couldn't happen 
in the case of Harry, because no one DID help him (that he knew of at 
least). Also, I can't see an older student being willing to help 
unless they were sure that the younger student they were helping 
would NOT be picked over them. It was a competition and all.

>>2. What if an older student who decided not to enter tried to put
someone else's name in (i.e. Fred or George) at their request.
Would the line recognize that the name on the paper wasn't the
same as the person holding it? We know it worked for Crouch!Moody,
but was it because he confused the line as well as the goblet, or
because the line was only to prevent under-aged wizards from
crossing?<<

Again, I think the goblet wouldn't care. What Moody did was confuse 
into thinking there were four schools in the competition when it knew 
there weren't. 
As for an older student Imagine if Fred or George's name came out 
instead of  Cedric's (and not in the weird 4th champion way that 
Harry's name came out). You can bet there would have been an 
investigation. Fred or George would indeed have to compete, but 
whoever it was that helped them might have ended up expelled, as well 
as the offending twin as soon as the competition was over. With the 
WW full of things like truth serum and people with legimency, it 
would be impossible to keep this type a thing a secret (look at 
chapter 17 of GoF, I definitely think this is one of the few times 
Dumbledore would use legimency). 





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