Dumbledore and Socks, Magical Contracts, and Bertie Botts Beans
huntergreen_3
patientx3 at aol.com
Sun Aug 15 05:18:39 UTC 2004
No: HPFGUIDX 110084
HunterGreen:
You know, I have to wonder about this thread, I just quickly re-read
part of GoF, and its rather clear on the subject. Moody himself says
that the whoever put Harry's name in the goblet would have
to 'hoodwink a very powerful magical object' and seeing how its HIM
who did this, I can't see the room to argue. Anyone could have
probably just slipped Harry's name under 'Hogwarts', but he had to
make *sure* that Harry was the one picked, hence the submitting under
a false school and tricking the goblet into picking four champions.
Bookworm wrote:
>>1. Would the protective line prevent someone from entering two
names? For example, *if* Fred had persuaded Angelina to enter his
name as well as her own, would she have been stopped because she had
two papers in her hand?<<
HunterGreen:
I think she wouldn't. The line was just a line. All it did was
prevent students under the age of 17 from crossing. That's it.
There's no evidence that the line and the goblet were tied together
magically or that the line did anything but what we've been told. I
think it was sort of an honor system method (considering the older
students) combined with the fact that IF a younger student was
picked, everyone would know that they cheated, and the older student
who helped them would be found out and punished. This couldn't happen
in the case of Harry, because no one DID help him (that he knew of at
least). Also, I can't see an older student being willing to help
unless they were sure that the younger student they were helping
would NOT be picked over them. It was a competition and all.
>>2. What if an older student who decided not to enter tried to put
someone else's name in (i.e. Fred or George) at their request.
Would the line recognize that the name on the paper wasn't the
same as the person holding it? We know it worked for Crouch!Moody,
but was it because he confused the line as well as the goblet, or
because the line was only to prevent under-aged wizards from
crossing?<<
Again, I think the goblet wouldn't care. What Moody did was confuse
into thinking there were four schools in the competition when it knew
there weren't.
As for an older student Imagine if Fred or George's name came out
instead of Cedric's (and not in the weird 4th champion way that
Harry's name came out). You can bet there would have been an
investigation. Fred or George would indeed have to compete, but
whoever it was that helped them might have ended up expelled, as well
as the offending twin as soon as the competition was over. With the
WW full of things like truth serum and people with legimency, it
would be impossible to keep this type a thing a secret (look at
chapter 17 of GoF, I definitely think this is one of the few times
Dumbledore would use legimency).
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