Apparation and Sirius' vault

[Amey Chinchorkar]

No: HPFGUIDX 110471

-	b_boymn (was asian_lovr2):
-	Let's not lose sight of the fact that all you have to do to Apparate
-	is step outside the grounds. You may not be able to apparate into or
-	out of the grounds, but you can from the train station or the village.
-	As far as Portkeys, we have only one instance of a Portkey that wasn't
-	controlled by Dumbledore, and that is the Tri-Wizard's Cup. However,
-	there is a large group of people that support the idea that the Cup
-	was alway a Portkey to take the winning champion to a location just
-	outside the maze.
-	What Fake!Moody did was add another stop to the Cup. Moody's
-	destination was put on last, so it was used first, that took Harry and
-	Cedric to the graveyard. That left the original destination
-	unactivated, and Harry used this to get back Hogwart at a location
-	just outside the maze.

Amey:
Yes, I agree with the first point. You just have to get outside the grounds
 and *phut* you are gone. Suppose that’s what Hagrid means when he tells us that Dumbledore apparates when going somewhere.
But as for the Cup,
"I offered to carry the Triwizard Cup into the maze before dinner," whispered Barty Crouch.  "Turned it into a Portkey.  My master's plan worked.  He is returned to power and I will be honored by him beyond the dreams of wizards." (GoF)
So, I am not sure the Cup was already a portkey, it could be
 but then what Crouch did was not add a stop, but change the destination completely.


-	b_boymn (was asian_lovr2):
-	All other entrances and exists by /wizards/ have been controlled by
-	Dumbledore. Since Dumbledore controls the protections to Hogwart's
-	castle and grounds, he also controls the acceptions. As an extension
-	of this, note that most acceptions involving wizards were related to
-	transport into and out of Dumbledore's office.

Amey:
Yes, I think so. Or at least Dumbledore with the help of teachers (Flitwick maybe). And of course his office will be an exception because it is out of bounds for anyone who Dumbledore doesn’t want there (I hope I made some sense there).

-	B_Boymn:
-	Back to the letter; the letter is explaining that Sirius ordered the
-	Firebolt racing broom IN HARRY'S NAME and told the Quidditch Store to
-	take the money out of Vault 711 - Sirius's vault.
-	A broom was bought /in Harry's name/ and like any mail order, the mail
-	order form is the note of authorization to withdraw funds from an
-	account. Extending that, it would imply that indeed funds could be
-	withdrawn in Harry's name. In other words, withdrawn by Harry.

Amey:
When I read it for first time, I was reminded of internet shopping using credit card. You give anybody’s name, as long as the credit card number is valid, and the owner of the card has no problem, the transaction is valid.

-	B_Boymn:
-	I'm a strong supporter of this belief that Harry has some degree of
-	access to Sirius's vault, and you made a very important connection
-	that I had never see before, despite the fact that I have analysed
-	that letter and posted extensive speculations about it.
-	One additional note, that vault probably represent Sirius's personal
-	fortune and is not tied or encumbered by the Black Family Estate. It
-	will be a lot easier for Harry to inherit Sirius's personal estate,
-	than it will be for him to inherit the Black Family Estate. I forsee a
-	nice conflict between Harry and Draco over the Family Estate.

Amey:
I would love to see Harry getting 12, GP and a huge chunk of money (added to his own) from Sirius and Draco sulking because of it. Given the *Noble* house of Black, and the number of Sirius’s vault, I think he has a load of money stashed below London, in vaults of Gringotts. I would love to see what else the vault contains, given his and James’ love for *different* things (like the Mirror). Maybe there will be another mirror in the vault which will help Harry to communicate with him instead of the broken one. 

Amey



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