Portkeys - Tri-wiz/Garveyard, and World Cup

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 110538

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wrote:

> 
> Linda:
> What do you think of the theory that the cup being made a portkey to 
> return Harry to school occurred after the priori incantatem? Perhaps 
> it was Fawkes or James or Lily that made it a portkey home... 
> ...edited... This solution solves the problem with having two 
> destinations on a portkey, which doesn't seem plausible. 
> 
> When the  Weasley's went to the Quiddich World Cup, the portkey was 
> thrown away into a pile when they got there with other used 
> portkeys. When they wanted to leave, they had to wait to have 
> another portkey made for them to return. If having two destinations 
> were possible, why not have the return trip already on the portkey 
> to allow less congestion after the World Cup?
>
> Linda

B_Boymn:

I think I'm going to have to go with Grey_Wolf on this one. The
'shadows' come out of the wand cognizant and knowledgable, but
generally powerless; of course, we are all speculating.  

They are not mere shadow and vapor, Harry remarks that they almost
seem solid but are smokey in color and texture. But they 'know', they
are self-aware and generally aware, they speak, they logic, and they
plan, so they are intelligent, and given the knowledge and awareness
of the situation they display, I think their knowledge and awareness
go far deeper than which they can merely observe at the moment. In a
sense, they are or seems all-knowing, but only in the context of the
immediate situation.

If the 'shadows' or echoes are powerful enough to enchant a portkey,
then, as Grey_Wolf suggested, why don't they use their magical power
against Voldemort or the Death Eaters? 

One last point on this aspect, in the past discussions we have come up
with two likely (but speculative) reasons why the portkey had a return
trip attached. 

One, as I have suggested and is my preferred method, is that the cup
was already a key to the edge of the maze, and Barty!Moody added a new
enchantment on top of that. The first enchantment was used to take
Harry to the graveyard, and the remaining and original was used to
take him back.

The fact that Barty!Moody claims to have enchanted the portkey doesn't
prevent another portkey charm from already existing. What Barty!Moody
says is his view of the world as he knows it, and not the author's
absolute statement of fact. 

The alternate is that Barty!Moody added both 'stops', the first to
take Harry to the graveyard, and the second to take Harry's dead body
back to Hogwarts as Voldemort's way of flipping the middle finger to
Dumbledore.


Now on to the nature of the World Cup Portkeys. When Harry and friends
arrive, the portkeys are all thrown into a big pile, and therein lies
the problem of having two-way/return-trip portkeys. When it came time
for the Weasleys and Harry to return, would it be easier to dig
through a huge pile of old portkeys looking for one specific manky old
boot, or to just grab the first object they could lay their hands on
and charm it to take them to Stoadshead Hill? Personally, I vote for
grab the first available object and charm it. 

I have speculated in the past that one of the reasons the Portkey
charm is so carefully regulated and controlled is because it is a
difficult and dangerous spell, and that many wizards are not up to
safely appling it. Therefore, the Ministry strickly controls it's use.

But, for an expert experienced wizard, it is a relatively fast spell
to perform as we see from Dumbledore's example in OotP. Conclusion,
once again, is that the Ministry portkey experts can grab a random
object and charm it faster than they can search out a specific 'return
trip' object.

Just one man's opinion.

Steve/B_Boymn (was asian_lovr2)