Depression ... in OotP - Cho/Marietta

[huntergreen_3]

No: HPFGUIDX 110836

HunterGreen previously:
"Of course that doesn't mean that what Marrietta did wasn't wrong, and
I do think she deserved to have 'sneak' written across her face."

Del replies :
>>Wrong according to what rule ? Not according to the law for sure,
quite the contrary. She was obeying the law, she was following school
rules, she was protecting her future and her family, what's wrong with
that ? And we don't know if she ever believed that LV was back.<<

HunterGreen:
Well, wrong because she could have just stopped going to the 
meetings. No one was *forcing* her. She could have told Cho after the 
meetings became illegal (since the first one was not breaking any 
rules) that she wasn't comfortable being involved in them. As much as 
I understand her actions, and believe that *she* didn't think she was 
doing anything horrifically wrong, she was getting a number of 
children expelled, at least one of them being a good friend of hers. 
She wasn't just telling Umbridge that the meetings existed, she was 
telling them *where* they were and *when* to catch them. 

Del:
>>I also have a problem with the way the enlistment was conducted :
people showed up to an *information* meeting about learning
extra-curricular skills, and they ended up having to enroll in a
resistance group and signing a contract. And when the DA became
illegal, we aren't told that people were offered a choice to leave the
group. All of that was quite wrong too.<<

HunterGreen:
I agree with you there, and that was Hermione's fault. She decieved 
Harry with it too, because he really didn't want to teach anyone but 
her and Ron. If her intention was to set up the group at the end of 
that first meeting she should have been more careful about who she 
invited and more specific about what the meaning entailed. Its unfair 
that they didn't get a chance to remove their name after the meetings 
became illegal. Enrolling in a 'grey-area' DADA study group is much 
different than enrolling in one *specifically* against the rules.

Del:
>>I mean, honestly, if our kid belonged to a group who turned outlaw 
and started learning to fight the official, elected government, 
because their apparently delusional leader is having paranoid ideas, 
would we really think that they are doing a bad thing by turning the 
group in ?? *We* know better, but we have no reason to believe 
Marrietta did.<<

HunterGreen:
I'm sure her parents would have been very pleased with her, and like 
I said in my last post, its saying something how long it took for her 
to finally crack and say something. I think she was thinking about 
telling something since around the first or second meeting. That's 
why I put more of the blame on Cho than on Marietta. Cho really 
should know better than to bring the daughter of a loyal-to-Fudge MoM 
official to a resisting-the-MoM group. I don't think that Marietta 
thought that what she was doing was *morally wrong* (since according 
to the way things looked for her, it was the right thing to do), but 
what she did had the repurcussions of expelling a large chunk of 
students, including a few that were her friends, that's why I thought 
she deserved to have 'sneak' on her face.

HunterGreen previously:
>>I wonder how Cho was when she wasn't around Harry? We only see a
small window of her behavior, it could be that she was able to
control herself when she was not around a reminder of what happened
to Cedric. I don't know if she was necessarily clinically depressed
any more than Harry.<<

Del replied:
>>I'm basing my supposition that Cho was depressed not only on how she
behaves around Harry but also on what Hermione tells us about her
after the Kiss. She says that Cho is crying all the time all over the
place, and that her Quidditch playing has become so bad that she's
afraid she'll be kicked out of the team. To me, those are 2 clues that
something was severely wrong with her. Harry, on the other hand, never
became dysfunctional like that.<<

HunterGreen:
I had forgotten about that. If she was having trouble with Quidditch 
and crying *all-the-time* she was definitely worse off than Harry. 
She seemed happy enough during the time they were *walking* to 
Hogsmeade and during the DA meetings though, so I can't see her being 
*clinically* depressed (since I believe that entails *never* having a 
break from depression). I know they're essentially the same thing, 
but I prefer to think of her condition as grief as opposed to 
depression. Maybe by the end of the year enough time had passed that 
Cedric's death didn't bother her as much anymore. And by then the 
cause of his death was no longer being denied, which might have 
helped too.