Marrietta's betrayal (was Depression ... in OotP - Cho/Marietta)

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 110850

> Del replies :
> :-)
> But no, I don't even need to get there. I just have to point out 
that
> "it is wrong to betray your friends" is a flawed rule. When your
> friends do dangerous and illegal things, then it is actually 
*right*
> to betray them, since they have betrayed you and your morality and 
the
> law in the first place.

Alla:

Del, this is the cultural difference on which we are never going to 
agree to. I grew up in the communist regime.  I was taught quite 
early that opposition to such regime was very noble and decent 
thing. Now, we are not talking about murderers or thiefs, but when 
my friends were accused of committing so called "political crimes", 
I consider them to be heroes and would never think of betraying them.

I think that analogy with "political crimes" works quite well for 
OOP, therefore it is incredibnly hard for me if not IMPOSSIBLE to 
sympathise with Marietta.



 > Del replies :
snip.

>> I find this very manipulative and dishonest ! On one side, she's
> saying that the list is only to know who was there. But on the 
other
> side, she's saying that whoever signs agrees not to tell. She 
actually
> *tricked* all of them ! She left them NO CHOICE.




Alla: 
Yes, Hermione left them no choice as to keeping silent about the 
meetings that is true. BUT, Hermione did not take away from her  
her right to leave.
Hermione did force the secrecy on other DA members. I shudder to 
think what would happen to other kids, if she would not.



>> Del replies :

snip.

> > Moreover there's one issue that's never considered : in what
> circumstances did Marrietta betray the DA ? Did she betray them of 
her
> own accord, or did Umbridge exercise any kind of pressure on her ?
> Umbridge apparently didn't use Veritaserum on her, but I wouldn't 
be
> surprised if Umbridge had been blackmailing her. 

Alla:

Blackmailed her with what? Yes, if we learn that umbridge tortured 
her, that would be a different story. But we know nothing to that 
effect so far, if I am correct.


> 
> Alla wrote  earlier:
> "She was obeying the law? Well, any law put into place by 
professor 
> Umbridge deserved to be sabotaged, IMO."
>

 
> Del replies :
> I understand the feeling, but I have to disagree with the 
statement.
> Anarchy lurks around the corner when we start choosing which laws
> we're going to obey.
>


Alla: Or the situation in the society. will start changing for the 
better.



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