Marrietta's betrayal

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 111028

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "pippin_999" <foxmoth at q...> 
wrote:
> If people can stand to hear just a little more about this, I think
> it's also interesting that the curse didn't activate at once. You'd 
> think, if Marietta had spoken to Umbridge with the intention of 
> selling out her friends, that it would have. Here's the canon:
> 
> [Umbridge speaking] "...Miss Edgecomb here came to my office 
> shortly after dinner this evening and told me she had something 
> she wanted to tell me. She said that if I proceeded to a secret 
> room known as the Room of Requirement, I would find out 
> something to my advantage. I questioned her a little further, and 
> she admitted that there was to be some kind of meeting there. 
> Unfortunately, at that point this hex," she waved impatiently at 
> Marietta's concealed face, "came into operation and upon 
> catching sight of her face in my mirror the girl became too 
> distressed to continue." 
> 
> I believe someone has already pointed out that Umbridge's 
> method of questioning Marietta  "a little further" was unlikely to 
> have been benign. We've seen that Umbridge resorts to 
> coercion  very quickly. You have to wonder if that's where the rest 
> of  Snape's fake veritaserum went, and if Shacklebolt didn't zap 
> Marietta's  memory to keep that from being discovered as well.



Alla:

Well, Pippin, the problem I see here is that canon so far seems to 
clearly point ou that Marietta comes to Umbridge first, so I have a 
lot of trouble seeing her intentions as honorable.


Yes, absolutely, Umbridge could have coerced her, blackmailed her, 
tortured her, anything, BUT all of that happened after she came to 
Umbridge to tell about DA meetings and that as I said earlier 
precludes me from having sympathy for Marietta.


Do we have any canon about any discussions between Umbridge and 
Marietta prior to that? I don't recall any, but maybe somebody else 
does.

Again, I don't think that one bad decision makes Marietta a horrible 
person, but I am having a lot of trouble justifying that decision.
I just hope that in the future she figures out that Umbridge is not 
the person to be loyal to.

Whether she will be allowed to attend DA? I think Harry is forgiving 
enough and he will say yes.


> Sarah wrote :
> "Wow, that's a lot of supposition here!"
> 
> Del replies :
> Yes it is, but just because it's not as simple as "Marrietta told
> because she's a bad girl" or "Marrietta had no reason to tell so she
> shouldn't have" doesn't make it untrue. In RL, things are rarely
> simple. And quite often even less so in the Potterverse.
> 


Alla:

Del, what does Sarah's remark has to do with whether things are 
simple or not in RL? :o)

I took it as her reasonable questioning of Pippin's lack of canon to 
support her speculation. (Sorry, Pippin! :))