[HPforGrownups] Re: Snape's DE past

[caesian]

No: HPFGUIDX 111224

Caesian - clapping hands together (open palmed) and skipping for joy:

"Yeah! Kneasy's back, Kneasy's back..."   (Kneasy hits Caesian in the 
head with a 4X4.)   "Ouch!  Effing barmy old codger,..."

On Aug 25, 2004, at 4:18 AM, arrowsmithbt wrote:

> Snape is not interested in the fight of good vs evil.
>  Snape has his own agenda and it's *personal* not ethical -  and DD 
> knows
>  this, understands this and accepts it.
>  The Snape, DD and Voldy triangle exemplifies that old adage "My 
> enemies'
>  enemy is my friend." The only reason that Snape is allied to DD and 
> the
>  Order is because it is the only way he can get revenge for an action 
> by
>  Voldy that hit Snape on a personal level <snipped by Caesian>

>  Snape was a good little DE - then suddenly he wasn't. Not only that 
> but
>  he betrayed his friends. Because make no bones about it, they were his
>  friends. These were the Slytherins he was running around with at 
> school;
>  these are his natural allies. Nobody in the Order likes him; nobody 
> except
>  DD really trusts him - so why is he in so deep in the anti-Voldy 
> coalition?
>  Because he is vehemently, passionately, obsessionally anti-Voldy.
>  He wants him brought down by any means.
>
> <snipped>
>
>  Every so often a thread kicks into life on the "Worst Memory" theme.
>  IMO it's no such thing. Snape has much worse than that little vignette
>  to disturb his restful repose - personally I'd rate the Grey Underwear
>  no higher than forth or fifth if you're willing to make some 
> reasonable
>  assumptions. (See 80844 - The worst is yet to come.)  Even with what
>  has been revealed so far I refuse to believe that the 'Prank' doesn't
>  rate as worse in Sevvy's mind than a minor schoolboy fracas by the
>  Lake.
>
Brenda:
  >
  > While this theory is good, I must ask you -- then why do you think
  > Voldemort trusts Snape? I'm basing this on the assumption that Snape
  > has returned to his DE regime and VM doesn't suspect him as traitor -
  > yet. Otherwise Snape would have gotten a blast of more scrutinizing
  > Legilimens and far greater torture. Or hire another potion maker to
  > brew the strongest Veritaserum, ensuring Snape hadn't taken the anti-
  > truth potion. Pick your favorite, but I honestly think if DEs had
  > reasons to suspect Snape, his cover would have been discovered by 
now.
  >

Caesian:

OK, I'm just going to come right out and say it.  Snape was in love 
with Lily.  I know, there is not a shred of hard evidence to support 
this idea and - well, it is disgustingly mushy.  I banish this thought 
whenever it occurs.  I HATE, really, to post an idea like this, an idea 
that is so poorly supported (or contradicted, alas) by Canon.  And this 
idea in particular.  It is just so - so - Speilberg.  But, I've got to 
break down and rationalize an exception in this case.  This theory pops 
up just too often.  How many people thought of this theory after 
reading only PS?  I did.  So did my husband, my brother, my 
mother-in-law, ...  And it pops up in discussion, FanFic (I know, 
scourgify!!!)... it just keeps popping up.  Curse of the collective 
unconcious.

And, sadly, it fits with the Canon.  Snape is consumed by revenge 
because Voldemort killed the (only) woman he (ever) loved, Lily. (My 
own little perversion is that I believe Snape was present in Godric's 
Hollow, and that we will find out it is Snape's voice in Harry's head, 
asking Lily to stand aside.)  He loathes Harry because Harry is so 
blatantly James and Lily's son - not because he hated James, but 
because he loved Lily.  The memory by the lake is not bad because he 
was teased, cursed or humiliated by James and Sirius - really, that 
must have happened 1000 times in 7 years and after - but because he 
hatefully rebuffed Lily ('it is our choices...').  Voldemort still 
trusts him because Snape will never admit - he loved Lily.  Dumbledore 
trusts him because, well, maybe that old softy is the one who knows - 
yuck, or maybe Snape tried to save the Potters by turning sides just 
before their death.

Now, I personally can't imagine Snape giggling to himself without 
wretching.  But this?  Sorry, sick mind I guess.  I just can't seem to 
stop myself.

Caesian -



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