[HPforGrownups] Re: Snape's DE past

[caesian]

No: HPFGUIDX 111235

> > Caesian:
>  >
>  > OK, I'm just going to come right out and say it.  Snape was in love
>  > with Lily.  <snip a great defence of LOLLIPOPS>
>
>  Neri:
>
>  <snipped> But the fact that we all think about it doesn't mean that 
> JKR
>  thought about it. I'm sure that as a scientist you appreciate this
>  point: Our beliefs about what the world should be are frequently the
>  worst obstacle to discovering what it is really is. 
>
>  I actually don't consider the mushy part as a proof against LOLLIPOPS
>  because JKR is indeed mushy sometimes. But LOLLIPOPS is not JKR's
>  style. Until now, JKR had never used romantic love as a main motive
>  or a driving force in the plot.

Caesian:

Two very good points!  "Common sense" is the scourge of the earth ;-).  
And while I do agree that thinking of Snape as loving anyone is, well, 
if not mushy, then too greasy for contemplation... shudders... this 
would really not be a romantic plot device.  It would be a plot device 
concerning terrible loss, guilt, rage and revenge.  The one response to 
terrible loss not already portrayed in a series devoted to loss.  Molly 
lost brothers.  Harry and Neville lost their parents.  Gran lost her 
son and daughter-in-law.  I mean, even Sirius just didn't seem angry 
enough about 12 years in Azkaban.  The loss that is missing from this 
line-up, lost love or life partner, has not appeared because Harry is 
not mature enough to comprehend this.  And Snape is the angry one.  
Really, really angry.  He's probably so angry that not a shred of what 
he originally lost remains in him - it's now about guilt and revenge.

Anyway, by the time Harry finds out about Snape's putative mushy side 
(at 15? how star-crossed...YUCK!), our tolerant friend Dumbledore will 
probably have taken a magic-bullet for the cause - leaving no one to 
even help Harry consider the human aspects of that greasy (half-blood) 
git / would-be suitor and his sad plight.  The books are told from 
Harry's POV, afterall.  Harry's first response would be - 'YUCK'!   
Followed closely by: 'But my mom didn't like him back right?!!'  And 
once assured of that - (she was decent, not crazy) - he can go right 
back to YUCK!  (Stopping briefly at pity.  And if Snape has not already 
given up the ghost at this point, he'll kill himself.)

Severus seen snogging Lily? No, won't happen.  But unrequited love - 
well, what other kind is there when he has teeth like that?  (unless 
you are Ewan McGregor - as SSSomeone would say, hubba hubba)  So, very 
much unrequited.  Poor man.  No wait - YUCK!

Sorry, I hate myself for even bringing this up - because it really, 
really is just a matter of opinion.
Caesian - banishing herself to very obscure canon points in penance


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