Character Arcs (was: Trusting characters)

[Renee]

No: HPFGUIDX 119065


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "pippin_999" <foxmoth at q...> 
wrote:
> 
>> > 
> > Renee:
> > I fail to see the logic in this. Even if Peter is redeemed in 
the 
> end - and I actually hope he will be - he still went bad in the 
> first Voldemort war. But more to the point, it's no law that one 
of 
> the four Marauders has to end up irredeemably evil at the end of 
> the  series, or that if another character will be fed to the 
> Dementors,  it has to be a remaining Marauder.       <
> 
> Pippin:
> 
> It's the logic of Nemesis. The dementor's kiss is  "the fate that 
> awaits Sirius Black." --PoA ch 12  Harry thought  that the one who
> betrayed his parents deserved it. He was  willing to hand Peter 
> over to them, thinking that Peter was the archtraitor. Peter has 
> escaped--but that's temporary. This is the equivalent of Chekov's 
> duelling pistols -- they've been hung on the wall in Book Three 
> and they're bound to be used in Book Seven.

Renee:
Oh yes, I'm also convinced the Dementors will come into play again 
in Book 6 or 7, or both. Actually, they already have, in OotP, be it 
backstage. But while it's true that Harry was willing to hand Peter 
over to the Dementors, it wasn't for the Kiss. He says about Peter: 
`He can go to Azkaban.' And as for Harry thinking the traitor 
deserved the Kiss: that was in theory. In the Shrieking Shack he 
isn't even able to kill Sirius when he's got him in his power. In 
the MoM he's unable to effectively Crucio Bellatrix. I wouldn't be 
surprised if he will change his mind about the Kiss - if he hasn't 
already done so.  

Sirius would have received the Kiss on capture because he managed to 
escape from Azkaban. Another character who managed to get out of 
Azkaban *was* Kissed in GoF. In other words, there's no clear link 
between the Marauders as a group and the Dementor's Kiss, while 
there *is* some sort of link between it and escaping from Azkaban.   

As per OotP the function of the Dementors has changed; they're no 
longer the guards of Azkaban but have joined Voldemort's cause. Now 
if we're talking about Nemesis, the logical thing to happen would be 
that one or more of the Death Eaters who broke out in OotP with the 
help of the Dementors would receive the Kiss. I just hope that if it 
happens, it won't be Peter. 

> 
> > Renee:
> Lupin certainly seems capable of messing 
> up  things (again) by an act of omission. But JKR could also 
> have him overcome his flaws instead and turn him into a better 
> werewolf.  And maybe he'll take over Snape's Occlumency 
> lessons :)     
> 
> Pippin:
> 
> That would be very nice if the books were titled Remus Lupin 
> and...but they're not. Lupin's detachment has to put Harry in 
> jeopardy, just as the flaws of all the other characters do  -- 
> otherwise why should we care about it?  

Renee:
Lupin's flaws have already put Harry in jeopardy once. You won't 
hear me say it can't happen again, but if it does I'd consider it 
repetetive. JKR can still have Lupin doing the right thing while the 
focus is not on him. If he does it to support/help/save/whatever 
Harry, she doesn't have to rename the books.