[HPforGrownups] Re: Knowing it was Snape (was: What has Snape seen)

[Vivamus]

No: HPFGUIDX 119107

> SSSusan:
> >>I don't understand why Snape has to be IN each memory.  I have all
> kinds of memories of people and places and events, and 
> sometimes the pictures I have in my mind are of those *other* 
> people and places:  
> my grandfather smoking a pipe; my mom & dad playing tennis; 
> my brother graduating from med school.  I'm in the audience, 
> as it were, and I don't believe that if someone accessed my 
> memories they'd see ME; rather, they'd see those other 
> individuals *as I saw them*, but I'd be nowhere in sight.<<
> 
> Eloise:
> > The way that JKR deals with Pensieve "memories" is a bit 
> odd, though. 
> > When Harry dips his head into Dumbledore's Pensieve, he 
> witness the  
> > hearings as if he himself were there, not from Dumbledore's own 
> > perspective, in fact he *sees* Dumbledore there.
> > If he were truly inside Dumbledore's own recollection then a) he 
> > wouldn't be seeing Dubledore himself and b) (more 
> crucially) he would 
> > know Dumbledore's thoughts at the time. In the same way, he 
> sees Tom 
> > Riddle when he accesses his memories via the Diary. In 
> other words the 
> > memories all seem to be narrated in the third person rather 
> than the 
> > first person and also are without the emotional resonances and 
> > personal insights that our own memories have for us.
> 
> 
> SSSusan:
> Right, I agree about the pensieve.  But what I was talking 
> about were the memories Harry accessed during Occlumency 
> lessons, not those memories he experienced when he dipped his 
> head into the pensieve.  
> It's the snippets of memories he got directly from Snape that 
> we had been talking about and which I was saying shouldn't 
> require the person himself to be a participant in.  Does that 
> make sense?
> 
> I think Casey may have had the right question, whether 
> *Harry* was in each of the memory snippets Snape accessed 
> during Occlumency.  If he was, I'll be more inclined to concede.
> 
> Siriusly Snapey Susan

Vivamus:
I wonder if it is perhaps less complicated than any of that.  Can you really
put yourself in another person's shoes, however much you might like to?
When Harry looked in Snape's mind (and in the pensieve in Snape's memories,
and in the pensieve in DD's memories, and in TR's diary) he was not in the
body of the person, for the simple reason that he wasn't that person.   When
Snape burst into Harry's mind, the memories were first person, IN Harry's
body, because it was from Harry's point of view we were looking.

The only exception to this I can bring to mind is when he is looking out of
LV's eyes, either in person or in the snake.  But he and LV are deeply and
mysteriously connected, and we really don't know how yet.   Hmm, perhaps his
pov in those circumstances IS significant in some way we haven't been told.