Snape/Occlumency again (Was: Does Viktor Krum become an important

justcarol67 justcarol67 at yahoo.com
Sat Dec 4 01:07:15 UTC 2004


No: HPFGUIDX 119196


Carol earlier: <snipped>
> > > OTOH, if he [Harry] *does* need to use Occlumency in facing his
most hated enemy, what better way to practice than to confront *Snape*
attempting to invade his mind? I don't think Harry really "got" it
before when Snape said, "You are handing me weapons." Now, surely, he
would understand--and do what he was told.

golden_faile responded:
> 
> The thing that is being forgotten when dealing with Harry ( and I 
> hope Dumbledore gets this now) is that Harry is not used to going to 
> adults for help. So in order to get him to cooperate or understand, 
> he NEEDS to be clued in on what is going on. He is never going to 
> just blidly follow directions and it is going to be damn hard to 
> teach him that way. Snape is definitely not the one for the job 
> brcause he enjoys having the upper hand  and will never give Harry 
> more information than what HE feels Harry needs to know,due to what 
> he sees as Harry being arrogant.

Carol again:
I think that a lot will have changed after OoP, and Harry is going to
have to learn to be less angry and arrogant and to take Snape in
stride. Moreover, if Dumbledore ordered Snape to give Harry complete
information, I'm pretty sure that Snape would obey. To my knowledge,
we've never seen Snape disobey a direct order, even one he doesn't
like. It appears that he told Harry as much as he could about
Occlumency and why it was needed in OoP. It was Dumbledore who didn't
want Harry to know about the Prophecy and *why* he should stop trying
to have the dream. 

Granted, if Harry still needs to learn Occlumency, Dumbledore could do
it himself. But I think that Harry would see the danger more clearly
if the person trying to access his memories through Legilimency were
Snape rather than DD. And also the spell, as opposed to the more
standard "mind-reading" Legilimency that DD uses allows Harry as well
as Snape to see the memories being accessed. I don't think that would
happen if Harry were to try to fight Dumbledore-style Legilimency. Yet
another reason why Snape is really , IMO, the best man for the job--if
Harry could be made to understand that.

Carol







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