Snape/Occlumency again (Was: Does Viktor Krum become an important

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SSSusan:
>>I wouldn't call it *impossible* for Snape to change.  I would call 
it not especially likely after the pensieve fiasco. <snip>
BUT I don't know about the wisdom of keeping Harry & Snape apart.  I 
rather think they shouldn't avoid one another totally -- at least 
not for long.  Why?  Because I think DD *is* toast and I think that 
some reason will present itself why Harry & Snape DO have to work 
together.  [Which is where I insert my oh-so-not-popular theory 
that Harry will act the "man" and grit his teeth and work w/ 
*Professor* Snape even if Snape remains a prick.]<<


Lupinlore: 
> Hmmm.  Actually I can easily see a scenario where he changes.  
> That is, pressured by Dumbledore to allow Harry into his potions 
> class, he simply ignores the boy (much as he did most of the time 
> after the pensieve incident).  Harry, in his turn, pretty much 
> ignores Snape, and they develop a kind of frosty stalemate where 
> neither actively attacks but neither forgives the other, either.
> As for Snape and Harry working together bar some extreme event to 
> make them see each other in a different light -- nope, just isn't 
> believable.  That would put Harry on the fast track to sainthood, 
> and if there's one good thing the kid ISN'T, it's a saint.


SSSusan:
I think we may be thinking different things about what I meant by 
the phrase "working together."  I was actually thinking primarily of 
their needing to be able to work -- *along with others* -- towards 
the Order's goals.  That is, actually be in the same room, actually 
speak and *listen* to one another when necessary, actually 
grudgingly trust one another enough to believe the other is on the 
same side.  I hadn't really thought of their working together -- 
just the two of them -- on some project like developing a new potion 
or something.  Nope, nope, no way I could see that at this point.

But if Snape could even ignore Harry most of the time, as you 
suggest, that would be change in Snape and it would allow Harry to 
be more in control of his own emotions.  Now, I don't want Harry to 
revert to a less-CAPSLOCKY phase, either, just more in control.  I 
think he is where he is, and being more forceful than he was at 12 
or 14 is there to stay.  But I love your phrase "frosty sort of 
stalemate!"  To me, that would probably be the *most* the two could 
ever hope for.  The reason I say that is that I believe for there to 
be a frosty sort of stalemate, there has to be a willingness to 
change on *both* their parts.  Not a total end to their outbursts 
with one another, most likely, but an acceptance that the other 
really *is* working towards the end of defeating Voldemort.  So 
maybe if Snape were to mostly ignore, we could reach that frosty 
stalemate?


> Lupinlore, who is looking forward to Harry referring to Snape 
> as "Snivelus."

SSSusan:
Now *that* would be interesting.  But I suspect the frosty stalemate 
would heat back up into battle phase if Harry did!


Siriusly Snapey Susan, who loves contemplating where the 
Harry/Snape "relationship" might head from here.