Snape and Lupin's Character Arcs (was: Lupin's Char Arc)

[pippin_999]

No: HPFGUIDX 119409


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "dumbledore11214" 
<dumbledore11214 at y...> wrote:
> 
> > Pippin:
> > Oops! Sorry for the misattribution. I can make the same 
concern  for safety argument for Snape. Harry is going to be 
attacked by adult dark wizards. They have no intention of waiting 
till he grows  up. They are not going to fight fair. They are going
to 
use every  means in their power to defeat him, including unfair 
 punishments and insulting his family. 
> 
> Alla:
> 
> That's OK. I cannot make the safety argument for Snape, sorry. 
In  McGonagall case we saw many times that she is geniunely 
concerned about the boy wellfare. In other words, we saw her 
expressing  positive feelings towards Harry. I am still yet to see 
Snape doing  that.<

Pippin:
Saving his life doesn't count?  Quirrell expressed positive 
feelings toward Harry, I remind you. So did Fake!Moody -- and it 
didn't mean diddlysquat.

Alla:
> And Snape as "mock enemy" for Harry? As I stated many 
times, I don't  believe in it after OOP. Snape happily disregarded 
Dumbledore's  orders about Occlumency. Yes, yes, Harry was 
wrong, but if Snape was  concerned about his wellfare, I think he 
would have found a way to  bring him back to his office, no matter 
how hard the task was. JMO, of course.<

Pippin:
Um, what is the canon that Snape was happy about it? Harry 
challenged Dumbledore about Snape stopping the lessons, and 
Dumbledore repeated that it was a mistake for him to ask Snape 
to teach Harry. If it was a mistake in the first place, what was 
there to gain by perpetuating the error? If it would have helped 
that the lessons continue, don't you think Dumbledore could 
have snuck back into Hogwarts and continued them himself? 

Dumbledore asked Snape to do something Snape wasn't able 
to do, and saying he should have been able to do it because it 
was important is like saying McGonagall should have been able 
to save young Barty from the dementor. It was a mistake for 
Dumbledore to ask her to guard him, that's all.


> Alla:
> 
> 
> James is not a historical figure for Harry, he is just his dad and 
I  believe that he has a right to have good thoughts about him 
untill he finds about his faults on his own without someone who 
is so bitter  that cannot forgive dead man and therefore feels the 
need to deprive  his son of positive image of his father.<

Pippin:
I don't see how anybody who remembered what James had 
been like before seventh year could have had a positive image of 
him. Even Sirius thinks he was an arrogant little berk.  I know you 
think that Snape joining the DE's proves he was a bad person all 
along and deserved whatever happened to him.

But  we know that Regulus, who was younger than Sirius, joined 
the Death Eaters while their reputation was still respectable and 
tried to quit when he found out what they really were. He didn't 
know already, even though Bellatrix Lestrange was his cousin. 
So there's no canon that Snape joined the DE's because he 
wanted to hurt people and he knew they would give him the 
chance.

Pippin