[HPforGrownups] Flamels (was: Harry's Protection (was Re: Questions)

[Vivamus]

No: HPFGUIDX 119437

> > Kneasy:
> 
> > The Flamels - yes. I can't help  but feel that they're important
> somehow.
> > We still haven't had confirmation that they're actually dead. I did 
> > once suggest that DD was Nicholas Flamel's partner and had 
> much more 
> > to do with the Stone than being its guardian - he might 
> even have used it.
> > But really I don't think that Voldy grasping for immortality is so
> terrible
> > in itself -  it's just what he'd do with his life if he was 
> unkillable.
> 
> Finwitch:
> 
> I came with this idea: Nicholas Flamel (or his wife) is the 
> Head of the Department of Mysteries. Instead of destroying 
> the Stone, they hid it behind the Veil. (As good as gone, 
> then?) And that means Sirius can return.
> 
> Oh, and Nicolas studies death - he goes behind the Veil and comes back
> - only surviving with the Elixir.
> 
> And er-- with the Alchemist-theory on Dumbledore's raising 
> Harry -- well, only one to be truly able to question the 
> wisdom of Dumbledore's actions is Nicholas Flamel, who's way 
> better in the field of Alchemy than Albus ever.
> 
> And er - could he be the original St Nicholas? Giving out 
> gifts to nice people, you know? (Out of fireplace: Nah, 
> forget the roof, he's using Floo powder! He can use 
> Time-turner and Elixir of Life to be done with it during one 
> night...) No one comes up with any questions, it's Christmas 
> Magic, you know... And, he probably does have loads of 
> (house-)elves working to help him out...
> 
> Finwitch

Vivamus:
Nice ideas about Nicholas, Finwitch.  I think you and Kneasy are both right,
in that he may well be in the rest of the series somehow.  He cannot be the
real St. Nicholas, of course -- the real one lived in modern-day Turkey in
the 4th century -- but the illustration is wonderful.

If you think about his name, though, he is not only an alchemist (and
alchemy was associated with some of the darkest forms of medieval magic,)
Old Nick (a name for the devil, btw) was supposedly dying at age 666, and
his last name means in Flames.   That is a *lot* of devil-association
attached to one name.  A little too much to be coincidence, or even a
throw-away character -- and this is DD's former partner.

Everyone seems to *know* DD has great dark powers, even though he's too good
to use them.  *How* does everyone know this about DD?   The only reason I
can imagine is that he has demonstrated that kind of power in the past.  

I suspect DD has some past associations that may not be the most wholesome.


The defeat of the dark wizard Grindelwald in 1945 was mentioned prominently
in the first book, as was Flamel, but heither has surfaced since.  I have a
feeling that Grindelwald, DD, and the Flamels will be tied together in some
way in the remaining books.  Perhaps DD has compassion for Tom Riddle
because DD wasn't so different when he was young?

While we're on the subject of old wizards, has anyone else wondered if Mr.
Ollivander has been around since 300 BC, instead of just being the most
recent descendent in that line?

Vivamus, whose friend Snickersqueak is approaching his 126th birthday in cat
years