Sirius & Remus post-Hogwarts (was: Snape and McGonagall)

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No: HPFGUIDX 119528


Carol earlier:
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>>> But meantime there seems to have been some sort of distancing 
between him and Remus Lupin, a mutual mistrust that probably had some
relation to Lupin's being a werewolf. <<<
 
Siriusly Snapey Susan responded:
>> I was with you up to this point, Carol, but unless I'm 
misinterpreting what you mean, I disagree with the last statement.  
I've got nothing firm upon which to base this, other than how
quickly Remus & Sirius forgave one another in the shrieking shack, 
but I really do not believe that any mistrust or distancing on 
Sirius' part was in relation to Lupin's being a werewolf.  Unless by 
that you mean simply because of his monthly absences they were 
together less often?  But I can't imagine the fact of his being a 
werewolf having caused Sirius to pull away or to doubt Remus. 
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Carol responds:
> I should have said "possibly" rather than "probably." I was 
> thinking of previous discussion on this list relating to 
> Voldemort's attempting to recruit goblins, giants, and other 
> alienated groups, which may well have included werewolves. So 
> instead of being their dangerous once-a-month playmate, he could 
> have become an object of suspicion.
> His identity as Remus Lupin, the quiet, studious boy who never
> asserted his authority as prefect, might have given way to the 
> view of him as a werewolf, not a monster or even a part-human but 
> a member of a disadvantaged group being recruited by the DEs. It's 
> like Ron's sudden realization that Hermione is a girl, but not at 
> all funny.
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> Clearly James and Sirius suspected him of being the traitor later 
> on, and that suspicion had to have some sort of basis, something 
> more than James's unwillingness to distrust Sirius or the supposed 
> impossibility that the traitor could be Peter.


SSSusan:
Like that parallel to Ron noticing Hermione. :-)

I guess I keep thinking about how incredibly close they all were.  
James, Sirius & Peter learned to be animagi FOR Remus.  They risked 
a lot to show him their true & abiding friendship.  It is canon that 
*something* [or things] happened to cause James & Sirius to have 
doubts about Remus, and I suppose it could be tied into Voldy's 
recruiting "dark creatures," but I'm just having a very hard time 
imagining that.

I tend to lean towards some event having happened which, as I 
believe Magda suggested, *could* have been viewed in a negative 
light if not checked out or that someone [Peter??] could have spun 
in a negative light.  I can't imagine these friends who were *so* 
close [not just people who attended day school together and got to 
know each other a bit, but who lived together, transformed together, 
and had this incredible trust built up] just beginning to doubt 
Remus because they suspected his reticence meant he was being 
courted by Voldy & was considering it.  It just doesn't register 
with me.

What DID happen to cause James & Sirius to doubt Remus is a true 
mystery, as is [even moreso!] their inability or unwillingness to 
believe Peter could be the traitor.  Don't you wonder why in the 
world that would be?  Even if I try hard to erase what we've 
discovered about Peter, it seemed he was more just tolerated than 
included in their group.  Or maybe it was his hero-worship which 
made J&S think he'd never turn on them?

And then again, why did Remus suspect Sirius?  *Only* because he 
believed Sirius was the SK, or for some other, as yet unknown 
reason?  

There are quite a few missing pieces yet....

Siriusly Snapey Susan, who still struggles to type "Remus" instead 
of "Lupin."