[HPforGrownups] Re: SHIP Calculus--JKR site spoiler

[Erika L.]

No: HPFGUIDX 119861

annemehr wrote:
> For symmetry's sake, I like Hermione/Neville, Luna/Ron
> and Harry/Ginny.  It pairs a primary member with a secon-
> dary member and avoids shipping within the trio, which
> leaves HRH free to remain, always, *friends.*  I like
> their friendship just as it is and see no need to mess
> with it. Unless JKR makes me, of course.


darkmatter:
>But, there is a kink to be unwound: I believe at least one of the trio
>will die, as will one of the secondary trio.

>For assorted reasons, I think Ron will die.


I'm inclined to agree. I find shipping theories that pair up all six members of the DoM sextet to be incredibly optimistic. Such an ending  would seem too perfectly symmetrical to be believable outside of a Shakespearean comedy, and with a war going on I, too, believe that one or even two fatalities among the sextet are inevitable. I also agree that there's a great deal of possible foreshadowing of Ron's death, but then so too is there is with Harry... 

On the other hand there's a chance Rowling does intend to go with a more unlikely sort of ending and have the entire Trio survive. Casualties could be limited to the secondary Trio leaving openings for R/Hr and H/L, or asymmetrical shipping with someone left out in the cold without a sextet ship-- which seems just as likely as anything else. H/G R/Hr with Neville and/or Luna six feet under and the other lacking a significant other. Or H/Hr and R/L with Ginny or Neville KIA or single.

darkmatter:
>I've always had a problem with the Ron/Hermione SHIP, even 
>though it is clear that there is real chemistry there.  The problem is
>one of experience.

I have a similiar problem with the R/Hr SHIP, though I disagree with the idea that bickering/arguing necessarily equals chemistry. To me their disagreements are a sign that they have different values not to mention rather serious communication problems. 

darkmatter:
>In the H/R case, I see each as respecting significant parts of each 
>other, but also having little or no respect ... even a certain
>contempt ... for other facets.  For example, Ron sure seems to think
>Hermione is well off her rocker when it comes to Elf rights, and
>Hermione definitely sees Ron as, at least at times, incredibly
>insensitive.

I also see this as an obstacle towards a real relationship. Hermione is serious enough about House Elf rights that she mentions SPEW in reference to a future career. Ron, however, is quite closed-minded on the issue and highly critical of Hermione-- in contrast to Harry, who, while not particularly supportive of the idea, does not attempt to dissuade Hermione after a few comments early on in GoF. Furthermore, Hermione's tendency to be set off by offhand comments by Ron does not, IMO, bode well towards a future relationship. I can't help but feel, however, that Luna will somehow play role in shipping matters, though I'm sure she's been introduced in order to play another part in the overall plot as well. I don't consider myself a Ron/Luna shipper, but I noticed a clear contrast in the way she and Hermione react to Ron. For example when Ron snaps at Luna, she remains completely unfazed (ex ch 11) whereas Hermione just tends to snap right back. Luna also seems to regard Ron rather highly, again in contrast to Hermione who is so often frustrated with him. Honestly I think Ron and Hermione are far too critical of one another to make a relationship work. Either they would both have to change dramatically in the next two books or they will simply not be, in my opinion, a compatible pairing.

Best,
Erika (Wolfraven)

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