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[pippin_999]

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responding to posts on this thread out of order:

I've never been in the military, and will gladly accept correction 
from someone who has, but would any regular army in its right 
mind want a chronic rebel like Sirius or an incorrigible thief like 
Dung? They'd have washed out in basic, seems to me. I've never  
heard of a regular army where the soldiers get to decide which 
orders are important. The first thing Sun Tzu did, when he 
accepted the challenge of turning the Emperor's harem into an 
army, was have the chief concubine killed for disobedience.

Magda:
> Snape's comment that since the Arthur vision Voldemort was 
now aware that he and Harry were sharing thoughts seems to 
have gone right past Harry like a stiff breeze.  
<snip>
> This is my biggest beef with OOTP-Harry: not so much the 
ANGER or the self-pity but the inability to connect the dots and 
figure out that the guy who tried to kill him in the graveyard 
should be repelled at all costs from his mind and that he should 
listen to what people tell him <

Pippin:
 Having established that Harry has become a rebellious 
teenager, Rowling couldn't very well make him back off a 
self-destructive habit because someone in authority told him to. 
It wouldn't have been realistic, or dramatically satisfying. It *had* 
to lead to disaster. Now that it has, Harry can realistically move 
on -- otherwise we'd have been stuck with rebellious Harry till he 
grew out of it naturally, and we'd never be done in seven books.

Alla:

>Well, yes, Harry's being able to see Arthur's being attacked did 
save Arthur's life didn't it? So, Harry's reasoning seems quite 
understandable to me. And here would be the ideal moment to 
explain to Harry that even though this vision was real, some of 
them ... may not be, so Harry should be on his guard.
I am not quite sure why it was so obvious to adults of the Order 
that Harry will figure it out on his own.<

Pippin:
IIRC, Harry never told any of the adults that he  saw Arthur's 
rescue as a rationale for letting the dreams continue. He 
certainly didn't tell Snape and Sirius that he'd been dreaming 
about that corridor for months.

 Harry had every right to be pleased with himself for acting 
promptly and correctly in an emergency, and Arthur and Molly 
were right to be grateful. But...

He said himself : "But if Voldemort really wants to kill you, you 
don't stand a chance," OOP ch 21.  It would have been easy 
enough for the snake to rip through an artery or inject enough 
venom to kill Arthur on the spot. Harry only got the opportunity to 
rescue Arthur because Voldemort *wanted* him to have it.  I think 
Harry realized that subconsciously, and that's why he never 
brought up Arthur's rescue with the adults as a reason the 
dreams should continue. At some level, he *knew* he was 
rationalizing.



Pippin