A child is, by definition, WRONG

[huntergreen_3]

No: HPFGUIDX 120092


chrusotoxos wrote:
>>In my opinion, Harry has always acted the little hero, never 
trusting the adults surrounding him. Everybody said that the 
Philosopher's stone was well protected? Na, don't believe it! Let's 
go and rescue it! And the same goes for the Chamber [snip]
 In a way I admire him, he's so brave and all, but at the same time 
I'm like, Calm down, adults know what is good for you!<<

HunterGreen:
And what happened after these incidents? Did Dumbledore go to Harry 
at the end of SS/PS and chide him for going after the stone? Did he 
say that the stone was perfectly safe without intervention? No, he 
*rewarded* him. He *publically* rewarded him and Hermione and Ron 
with a heck of a lot of points to get them the House Cup. Neville, 
who was doing the smart thing and trying to stop them, got points as 
well, but not NEARLY as many as the trio. The same thing happens at 
the end of CoS, he's rewarded for not going to an adult, for risking 
his life and trying to save everything himself when he's surrounded 
by adults. Dumbledore is TEACHING him to do things on his own. If you 
want to think of Harry as being always wrong, that's fine, but the 
adults in his life aren't that smarter if they're encouraging this 
behavior (goodness, Snape is right!).

chrusotoxos:
>> If Harry had trusted Dumbledore, Lupin, Sirius, Molly Weasley, 
even Snape - if he had thought of Snape before breaking in in 
Umbridge's office, then Sirius would still be alive. He played the 
hero and it didn't work. Children can be cute, but they are not 
always right!!<<

HunterGreen:
I'm sort of confused by what you mean by trusting the other adults, 
trusting them by working harder at occulmency or by not believing the 
vision? I think both of those were just human nature. First he 
couldn't ignore his curiosity about wanting to get further down the 
tunnel and second it would be extremely difficult for anyone to just 
brush aside the dream he had about the DoM. 
Of course I don't think it was right or justified for him to rush off 
to the DoM (a hideously stupid idea), but who he should have trusted 
in that situation was *Hermione*, since she was the voice of common 
sense (it wasn't even the end of the workday for goodness sake!).

Perhaps if one of the adults had actually talked to him and told him 
specifically to contact Snape if he had a vision he would have 
remembered Snape. As you are saying he IS a child, and children 
(especially teenagers) do not think well in a crisis. If one of the 
order members had thought of that and had a talk with Harry about 
what to do if he had a vision, he would have been FAR more likely to 
remember Snape in an emergency. I think DD and everyone else were 
just assuming that either Harry wouldn't have any more visions or 
that he would ignore them. Both stupid things to assume. Adults are 
stupid too.

chrusotoxos:
>> Therefore, what happened is not Dumbledore's fault (even if he 
said so himself)<<

HunterGreen:
It is his fault. If he had told Harry "Voldemort wants to lure you to 
the DoM to get something for him, that only you can get." Then Harry 
would have been much more likely to dismiss the vision as false. 
Dumbledore hastened Sirius' death by lying to Harry the whole year. 
Harry acted like a child, in part, because he was treated like one. 
He was left in the dark, without the proper information to see the 
whole picture, and that blocked him from seeing the obvious: that 
Voldemort was trying to get him to come to the DoM.

chrusotoxos:
>> and most definitely is not Snape's, who is already playing dirty 
on several fronts and cannot afford to be thrown off balance by a 
stupid kid who is not even trying to learn.<<

HunterGreen:
Snape is just a scapegoat. Harry knows he(Harry, not Snape) had a 
large hand in Sirius' death and is trying to avoid facing that. He 
already hates Snape and Snape hates him back, so he's an easy person 
to siphon off the guilt. I doubt it makes any difference to Snape 
either way.

chrusotoxos:
>> I really believe that in Book 6, Harry will grow up, and the 
greater signal would be trusting Snape<<

HunterGreen:
Well, remember, its Snape's fault Harry doesn't trust him. Or at 
least its his fault Harry doesn't like him. He's been rather horrible 
and mean to Harry from day one, but that is a subject for another 
post.


-HunterGreen (Rebecca)