Theoretical boundaries

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Lupinlore:
Okay, sure.  I really don't understand what you're trying to say 
here, Alla.  I'm saying that one of the objections people had to 
OOTP was the narrative turn.  You are saying the narrative turn is 
part of growing up.  Fine.  I agree, but that has nothing to do with 
whether people have a problem with the way the story themes are 
presented and play out and what the implications are.  Are you 
saying that it is illegitimate to have a problem with these themes 
(which I don't think because it would be very inconsistent with a 
lot of your posts)?  Or do you have some other point, because if so 
it utterly escapes me.



Alla:

Oh, no, no, no. Of course I am not saying that it is illegitimate to 
have a problem with these themes.

I think I  am experiencing language problem again. I think I 
misunderstood what you meant by "narrative turn". Please bear with 
me and correct me if I misunderstood you.


I thought that you were saying that your problem with OOP was that 
particular themes were presented inconsistently and particular 
characters were OOC as comparing to the previous books.

So far so good, right? If you meant different thing, please tell me, 
because then my argument fails.


I was explaining why I thought exactly the opposite. I thought those 
themes were presented quite consistently througout the series and 
the characters were developing quite consistently througout the 
series.

I was also saying that seeming inconsistencies  (in my opinion only) 
could be explained by the fact that Harry is growing up and he sees 
more than he saw previously.

Let's go back to the themes. First of all abuse and these dreaded 
Dursleys. I am not really sure why people are saying that Rowling 
suddenly introduced abuse as theme in OOP, while in my opinion the 
abuse was presented VERY consistently throught the books.

I mean, sure, Dursleys looked much more caricature like in the 
earlier books, BUT Harry's suffering was VERY real, starting from 
him spending ten years in the cupboard. in PS/SS Petunia tries to 
hit him with the frying pan, in CoS he is locked up with the bars on 
his windows and he is afraid that he will die from hunger, etc., etc.

Am I being confusing again? I disagree that abuse theme SUDDENLY 
appeared in OOP. I think it was always there, just  looked a  bit 
more fairytale like.

Let's talk about characters being OOC, in particularly Dumbledore, 
since you raised this argument, right?

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think you said that Dumbledore 
SUDDENLY appeared to be manipulative in OOP. I think Dumbledore can 
ALWAYS be read a manipulative. I mean we can argue about his 
motivations, etc, but the possibility of Manipulator!Dumbledore in 
my opinion was always there.

After all, he does not suddenly tells Harry to go to Dursleys in 
OOP, right? He leaves him there in the first book, despite 
McGonagall objection and says some very strange things while doing 
so.


I am sorry if I am not clear againh. I suppose my only point was 
that in my opinion only themes in OOP were consistent througout the 
books.