Time travel with Mirror of Erised. Was: The mirror onthe website

[Geoff Bannister]

No: HPFGUIDX 120643


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "vmonte" <vmonte at y...> wrote:

vmonte:

> Sorry, I think I was confusing in my post. What I was trying to say 
> was that perhaps both incidents: Harry thinking that he hears his 
> father yelling for his mother to run during the dementor attack, 
and 
> Harry thinking that he sees his father doing the patronus, are both 
> cases of mistaken identity. That both times Harry is really hearing 
> and seeing himself.

Geoff:
My apologies also. I think I did indeed misinterpret your post.

However, I wonder about the possbility of your theory that Harry 
mistook the voice of his own time-travelled self for his father.

In your message 120634, you wrote "Remember that Harry hears this 
voice during PoA when he is 13 years old. His voice would certainly 
be different at 18 years of age."

In the section under discussion in POA, we read:

'White fog obscured his senses... big, blurred shapes were moving 
around him... then came a new voice, a man's voice, shouting, 
panicking -
"Lily, take Harry and go! It's Him! Go! Run! I'll hold him off -"
The sounds of someone stumbling from a room - a door bursting open - 
a cackle of high-pitched laughter -'

(POA "The Patronus" p.178 UK edition)

This raises a couple of points, some of which may have been covered.

First, if I hear a guy of 18 speaking and canont see him (say, on the 
telephone), I can usually distinguish that this is a younger person 
and not an older man by the depth and timbre of the voice. Can Harry? 
Would he be sufficiently with it to be able to make such a judgment 
under the circumstances and realise that the voice was too young to 
be that of his father?

Second, ISTR that someone has suggested that Harry would call Lily by 
her name to disguise who he was. Under the sudden strain of events, 
would he remember to do this during the attack and not call her "Mum" 
under the pressure of the moment?

But further, in PS, we have this snippet:

'Quirrell was walking backwards at him so that Voldemort could still 
see him. The evil face was now smiling.
"How touching..." it hissed. "I always value bravery... Yes, boy, 
your parents were brave... I killed your father first and he put up a 
courageous fight... but your mother needn't have died... she was 
trying to protect you... now give me the Stone unless you want her to 
have died in vain."'

(PS "The Man with Two Faces" p. 213 UK edition)

In the POA action, the man is saying that he will hold off Voldemort. 
In PS, Voldemort states that he killed James. If this was not James 
but was Time-turned!Harry, if Voldemort had killed him, Future!Harry 
is already dead.... So where would that leave us?

I think I shall remain a member of the "James was there" gang and 
retain my sanity.... 

Geoff
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