[HPforGrownups] Re: Dumbledore as Order Founder (was: Warning Ron is Dumbledore post!)

[Patrick Jarrett]

No: HPFGUIDX 120703


> vmonte responds:
> Well, there is a connection between Flamel and Dumbledore. They
> were "chemistry" partners. Dumbledore is only 150 years old and
> Flamel was/is? 666 years old at last count. By the time Dumbledore
> met Flamel, Flamel had already come up with the PS/SS, and probably
> countless other things. Was DD a partner, or an apprentice? How and
> where did they meet?
> Why did Dumbledore go after Grindelwald? And when are we going to
> learn the facts about this character?
> There is a lot information missing about the Dumbledore and Flamel
> relationship.
> Flamel seemed (seems?) to also be obsessed, like Voldemort, with
> longevity. Was he keeping himself alive because he wanted to finish
> what he started? Was/is he after something/someone?

Patrick:
Indeed, there is a lot missing. That is why I said I didn't see the
connections as they relate to the OOtP.

Allow me to examine it as a reader. What does JKR gain from misleading
us about the origins of OOtP? Is there a mystery to solve? Flamel was
an off page character, never speaking directly for us to read. So why
would JKR decide five books later to tell us more about him and expand
the story of the OOtP?

I don't see it.

And my next point is to note the name. The Order of the Phoenix. DD ->
Fawkes -> Phoenix. I suppose Flamel's long life might lend itself to
the Phoenix, but it isn't as strong as the DD link.

So, I remain unconvinced. I need more canon before I doubt the
encyclopedic Hermione.

-- Patrick