The Veil, HP & LOTR [was: Re: The Veil in the Chamber of Secrets?]

[greatelderone]

No: HPFGUIDX 120779


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Geoff Bannister" 
<gbannister10 at a...> wrote:
> Geoff:
> Now there I would disagree with you. Both Grima and Peter 
Pettigrew 
> have surrended themselves to an insidious and evil being and have 
set 
> out to plot the downfall of people around them - Theoden/the 
Potters. 

GEO: Grima Wormtongue allied himself to Saurman for the material 
rewards promised him. Peter if we can believe his story unwillingly 
sided with Voldemort out of fear and for the protection just as 
Gollum was unwillingly taken by the Ring however both had a hand in 
their own corruption though. And both as I mentioned again will/did 
have a final hand in the victory of the protagonists. Gollum in the 
end fell with the ring into Oroduin while we know that Wormtail 
still owes Harry that debt which will no doubt play an important 
part in the future books.

> Geoff:
> That is too simple an analysis. Theoden may have been older (he 
was 
> 71 at the battle of the Pelennor Fields) but he was a man of great 
> dignity, power and loved by his people and at the height of his 
> powers t Helms Deep and Minas Tirith. 

GEO: Thats not true, he wasn't descendend from the dunedain and thus 
he was probably already considerably aged compared to them at that 
age, which was probably how Grima was able to control him so easily. 

> Geoff:
> Eowyn came to my mind also immediately, although I think she lacks 
> the pushiness and acerbity of Hermione.
> 
> I go back though to my first point; we cannot make characters from 
> each book fit the same template. There is no "one size fits all".

GEO: Agreed, but the comparisons are fun though I don't think they 
can be used to predict future events.