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absolutfrux at y... wrote:
> 
> 
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> I'd like to bring up for discussion a theory I've come up with
> regarding JKR's 2 questions, the ones she said we ought to be
thinking
> about more. Why didn't Voldemort die? And why didn't Dumbledore try
to
> kill him in the MOM? Obviously it's stated in the books that
Voldemort
>  took measures to ensure that he never experienced mortal death; 
snip>
>. What if one of his measures
> involved sending his spirit/essence into the one who defeated/killed
> him? This would operate on several levels to his advantage.
> 
> 1) If his current body was weak enough to be defeated by another
> power,
<snip>
, it would follow that the body
> to be possessed would be stronger than his own, therefore: quick and
> easy way to overcome defeat and turn it into an even greater coup
for
> Voldemort!

> Ms.Luna replies
Didn't he, LV, try this in the MoM towards the end of the battle in
the OotP?  It didn't work 
because Harry was too full of love/longing...and LV couldn't stand it
and left Harry's body. 

> 2) If the one who defeated him was working on the side of good (ie
> fighting against him instead of trying to usurp him), what better
way
> to infiltrate the opposition than to control its strongest warrior? 
snip>

Luna again,
But, Harry at this point is not the *stongest* warrior, that would be
DD, IMHO.  LV didn't 
try to possess DD at any point.  He was trying to possess Harry to
avoid DD, prove 
something to DD and to Harry.  
> 
> 3) It would ensure that he would never lack a corporeal body in
which
> to wreak havoc. 

Luna once more,
If LV possessed a living body, he definately could lose it...through
the death of that body. 
Remember Quirrell? 
  
> snip>
>  I'm trying to fit my theory in here. His essence
> attempted to possess the "conqueror" (ie Harry), which explains why
he
> left an imprint on the boy, Parseltongue, similar wand affinity,
> ability to access each others' minds etc. 

Luna again,
That seems like a plausable explaination for their similarities, but
weren't those 
similarities explained by DD, saying that LV transferred some of his
powers to Harry 
during the AK curse?  So, are you saying that DD's version is wrong
or he is 
misinterpreting the information?
<snip>


>> I don't think Dumbledore knows precisely what's going on, but he
isn't
> taking any chances, I should think. This understandably frustrates
> Voldemort a great deal, which is possibly why he maliciously taunts
> Dumbledore about not wanting to kill him. He WANTS Dumbledore to
try.

Luna,
If LV could die with the death of the one he possesses, why would he
want DD to try to kill 
him? So he could possess Harry?  With what you're saying LV could have
possessed anyone 
during his time in exile.  Why did he not possess someone during that
time. Why wait so 
long for Harry to come of age...to Possess him?  No, he needed/wanted
Harry for another 
purpose, to bring back his own body, by using Harry's blood.  Plus, if
LV really wanted too, 
couldn't he have possessed Wormtail, or anyone else and come back to
power sooner. It 
seems to me, and I am sure I'll be set right, that LV couldn't or
wouldn't (probably the 
former) possess someone because he was too weak.  After he gets his
own body back he 
has no reason to possess anyone.  I think DD doesn't kill LV  because
of the prophecy.  
LV taunts DD because he knows that DD knows something about the
prophecy and is, 
IMO, trying to get it out of him through taunts.   It obviously
doesn't work because DD is 
above that. 
  
> I've also been trying to fit in an explanation for Dumbledore's
> imfamous "gleam of triumph", 
<snip>

Luna one more time,
I've *heard* the theory thrown around that the *gleam of triumph* was
because DD 
undersood  that because LV used Harry's/human blood to come back,
that he was no 
longer immortal and therefore will be easier for Harry to kill
Thanks for the interesting post.  I enjoy reading the theories that
stretch the envelope.

-Luna