Were Dumbledore & Snape involved in James & Lilly's death+ LV downfall?

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 90070

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Jim Ferer" <jferer at y...> wrote:
> It's not just crazy, it's repugnant.  Any of the "Evil Dumbledore' 
> theories, if true, would be the greatest betrayal of readeres by an 
> author, ever.  Unforgivable.  What would it tell readers, many of 
> them young?
> 
> ** People are no damn good.
> ** Everyone will betray you in the end; nobody can be trusted.
> ** Love, loyalty and service are not real. Only betrayal is real.


Before I get to "what it would tell the young readers", I'd like to 
state for the record that no, I don't really believe that JKR will go 
in the Dumbledore is evil direction in the future books, BUT the only 
reason I still believe in it is her interviews.

If she did not characterise Dumbledore as a sympathetic character , 
I'd say that canon has quite a few clues, which can point out to 
Dumbledore misdeeds already and who knows, maybe more are coming. You 
never know...

There are very many sympathetic characters in the books besides 
Dumbledore and the only message I would read if he will turn out to 
be evil is that Dumbledore is evil. Period. (again, I don't really 
think that it is going to happen, but it is possible and not crazy at 
all, the way I see it)

> We get this from pop culture, from countless shows where your best 
> buddy from the Army is the one helping the drug dealers.  I don't 
> believe for a second that JKR would do it.  That's not the same as 
> saying Dumbledore can make a mistake; he has, several, the biggest 
> one born of love and compassion for Harry and maybe a little 
> avoidance of causing pain - a human weakness.  What Harry can count 
> on is that Dumbledore will do his best for him, flawed though it 
may 
> be.


See, I did not buy his great love to Harry , when he was talking at 
the end of OoP. I don't believe that "the only wizard Voldie ever 
feared" could not come up with a better way to keep Harry safe than 
to leave him with Duddleys and letting him grew up in the atmosphere 
of if not physical, then emotional abuse for sure.You call it a 
mistake, I call it a crime.  I think it was already repugnant enough, 
so it is probable that Dum,bledore may do something more repugnant in 
the future.

I think that if Dumbledore really loved Harry as much as he claims, 
he would find ways to talk to Harry at any time before battle at the 
MoM happen.

Could you tell me what changed at the end of OoP that Dumbledore 
suddenly thought it was safe enough to talk to the boy?
I also think that it was a crime on his part to ask Snape to teach 
Harry occlumency, although I love the fact that JKR made them to 
learn more about each other. 
 
 The problem with being a puppeteer like Dumbledore 
> is supposed to be is that the puppets seldom cooperate. Look at the 
> much simpler conspiracies that fall apart in our own world!

I understand your unwillingness to consider Dumbledore is ever so 
evil theories. Trust me, I feel the same way about the theories, 
which consider that Harry even could be tempted by Dark. 

Nevertheless, as I said after OoP I don't like Dumbledore anymore. :o)

Alla