Were Dumbledore & Snape involved in James & Lilly's death+ LV downfall?

[Fred Waldrop]

No: HPFGUIDX 90098

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wrote:
Irina:

He did have time thereafter to have James and Lily betrayed to their 
deaths, knowing that Lily would sacrifice herself in a way that 
would keep Harry alive but leave him marked.  I doubt the "Mission 
Impossible" team could have brought it off. 
Irina
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Naama:

I completely agree with Jim that there was no way DD could have 
known that Lily would sacrifice herself in the way she did. Nor 
could he have been sure of the effects of such an act. LV was Avada 
Kedavering people left and right, overcoming powerful wizards and 
witches. The prophecy doesn't preclude the possiblity that LV will 
overcome his rival. So, it doesn't even make sense that DD would 
encourage a duel between LV and baby Harry, even he was as 
manipulating and cold hearted as you paint him.
Naama
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Hello all, Fred Waldrop here;

I have been thinking about the prophecy a lot for a while now.
(page 741 UK & 841 US OotP)
"THE ONE WITH THE POWER TO VANQUISH THE DARK LORD APPROCHES....BORN 
TO THOSE WHO HAVE THRICE DEFIED HIM, BORN AS THE SEVENTH MONTH 
DIES... AND THE DARK LORD WILL MARK HIM AS HIS EQUAL, BUT HE WILL 
HAVE POWERS THE DARK LORD WILL KNOW NOT... AND EITHER MUST DIE AT 
THE HANDS OF THE OTHER FOR NEITHER CAN LIVE WHILE THE OTHER 
SURVIVES... THE ONE WITH POWER TO VANQUISH THE DARK LORD WILL BE 
BORN AS THE SEVENTH MONTH DIES..."

Now I know it is only my opinion, but the two parts that jump out at 
me are "THE ONE WITH THE POWER TO VANQUISH THE DARK LORD APPROCHES" 
and "AND EITHER MUST DIE AT THE HANDS OF THE OTHER".
Now my point is this, LV COULD NOT kill Harry, because at THAT TIME, 
Harry was not able(old enough, powerful enough?) to kill LV.
And until Harry DOES have the power/will/ability to kill LV, LV 
will not be able to kill Harry.
Because in the prophecy,  "THE ONE WITH THE POWER TO VANQUISH THE 
DARK LORD" has to be able to kill LV, because the prophcey says  
"EITHER MUST DIE AT THE HANDS OF THE OTHER". It give BOTH Harry AND 
LV a chance, not just one or the other.

Also, I think the reason in GoF, chap. 36, "The Parting of the 
Ways", Harry says, "For a fleeting instant, Harry thought he saw a 
gleam of something like triumph in Dumbledore's eyes."
I think that Dumbledore knows that it is not really Lily's sacrafice 
that saved Harry (I think it could have made it a lot eaiser for 
Harry, IE he just gets a scar instead of something worse. Without 
Lily's sacrafice, Harry could have been hurt much worse but still 
have lived.)
And because LV thinks he has some extra sort of charm protecting him 
now, and Dumbledore knows he doesn't, this is what I think 
the "gleam of triumph" in Dumbledores eye was about. 
But, we will know in a few years, hopefully.

Fred