The prophesy...sorry for being boring

[whizbang]

No: HPFGUIDX 90180

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> Carol:
> Hey, Whizbang! We agree here. Since the voice doesn't sound like
> hers and she's not aware that she's prophesying, clearly she's 
> channeling someone or something, 
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Whizbang:
Whose voice comes from Trelawney is an interesting question.  
Reminds me of the howler that Petunia got.  Harry didn't actually 
recognise that voice.  He deduced it was Dumbledore's nearly a year 
later.
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> Carol:
> You're still taking your "born with the power" interpretation for
> granted. Nowhere does the prophecy say that "the one" is born with
> the power. (In fact, he hasn't even been born when the prophecy is
> spoken.) 
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Whizbang:

The one had the power when the prophesy was delivered.  "The one 
with the power to vanquish the dark lord approaches."  At that 
moment, as Trelawney spoke and Dumbledore listened, the one was 
approaching with the power.  If there was one and he had the power 
when the prophesy was delivered, where did it go when he was born?  
It doesn't seem logical to assume that One with the Power was 
approaching became a couple of possiblilities, either of whom could 
get the power when the last event disclosing the identifying feature 
occurred.
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Carol:

> It's entirely possible, and indeed probable, that he acquires
> the power, or rather the potential for that power, when the curse
> fails. Granted, part of the prophecy (the Dark Lord will mark him
> as his equal) refers to the events at Godric's Hollow, but the 
> rest of it has not happened yet. 
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Whizbang:
Dumbledore refers to the marking by Voldemort as the "final 
identifying feature," not a bestowing of oneness or the potential 
for it.  
As this prophesy is also about the Dark Lord, he must fulfill his 
part of it.  Therefore, he must mark the one.  He can only mark the 
one.  Anyone else he attempted to death curse would have died.  
Therefore, as Neville was not the one and never was, if Voldemort 
had gotten to Neville first, Neville would not have survived.
Voldemort did not choose his nemesis.  He fulfilled his part of the 
prophesy and in the process made it possible to identify the one.
What did happen when Voldemort marked Harry, is that Voldy gave 
Harry powers and a future to escape him.  His own powers.
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Carol:
> Again, you're taking your point of view for granted. It's possible
> that Voldemort could have chosen--and "marked"--Neville. IMO, the
> moment he chose Harry and unwittingly marked him with the scar 
> (which may or may not have appeared because of Lily's protective 
> charm), "the one" became Harry. Until that point, either boy fit 
> the description and either could have been "the one." (At least we 
> agree that after Godric's Hollow, Neville was out of the running 
> and the prophecy applied only to Harry.)
> 
Whizbang:

So the one is approaching but it hasn't yet taken possession of one 
of the boys. ???  Then who is the One?  It's neither Harry nor 
Neville but some other entity entirely that uses whichever boy the 
DL marks?  Is this a battle between two entities, the Dark Lord and 
the One, who are only using/possessing Tom Riddle and Harry Potter 
to pursue their antatgonism?