Mimble Wimble

[lizvega2]

No: HPFGUIDX 90265

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" 
<justcarol67 at y...> wrote:
> > > > <> 
> Carol:
> 
> Two things here that I mentioned before but they seem to have been
> overlooked. First, "mimble wimble" is what Harry hears, not
> necessarily what Uncle Vernon says. 

SNIP

What exactly would the point be of Harry hearing something that 
wasn't actually said? Harry hears Uncle Vernon mutter what sounded 
like 'mimble wimble'- can we argue that wasn't actually what Uncle 
Vernon said? Absolutely. But, IT'S IN THE BOOK! Personally, I don't 
disregard anything that's in the book, especially if suspicion or 
doubt, on Harry's part anyway, is present. 

We all know that Harry's perception of what is happening around him 
is not infallible. SNIP : Agreed! But, it's far more insightful to 
study what is going on around Harry, that how he reacts to it.  
> 
> Second, the "mimble wimble" scene occurs nine pages before the 
attempt
> to turn Dudley into a pig. 
SNIP

Nine pages, right. But, Carol, act it out. How long does nine pages 
actually take to act out? Maybe, a few minutes? How much dialogue is 
there in those nine pages? I think we can both agree that speaking 
nine pages worth of dialogue/text would only take a few minutes in 
real time. 

I provided the page numbers with the
> appropriate quotes in a previous post. (IIRC, Uncle Vernon's words 
and
> actions have no effect on the pig spell; presumably it's Hagrid's 
lack
> of training and his broken wand concealed within an umbrella handle
> that prevent the spell from having its full effect, just as the
> tortoises in the Transfiguration breathe steam or have
> willow-patterned shells.)
> 
> Uncle Vernon, as Hagrid makes clear in that same scene and JKR 
states
> emphatically in every book, is the ultimate Muggle. Whatever the
> significance of "mimble wimble," and I'm not questioning a possible
> connection with Mimbulus Mimbletonia, it's highly likely that it
> relates to Uncle Vernon having magical powers or an intuitve 
knowledge
> of countercurses.
> 
> Carol

SNIP

Are you sure about that last statement? It sounds like your agreeing 
with me- perhaps you meant to say, "It's highly unlikely that it 
relates to Uncle Vernon having magical powers or an intuitive 
knowledge of counter curses?"


I apologize if my comments seem argumentative. Perhaps I am arguing, 
but I believe this very much. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. No harm done, 
and it'll be fun seeing where I went wrong! I just don't take 
anything for granted in the HP books. And, I try to decipher between 
blatant red herring story line clues, and SEEMINGLY blatant red 
herring story line/septology clues. 

LizVega~ who loves these discussions!